Dartmoor & Weardale Railways for sale

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  1. michael74

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  3. trainmania100

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    Good to see Dartmoor Railway turnover is reasonably strong considering they're quite small and not the easiest of places to get to from outside of Dartmoor national park area. And considering they only run summers that's not bad at all. I've been a few times and hope the best for the Dartmoor Railway!
     
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    Only been on it once, a nice trundle up to the quarry with the post apocalyptic feel to the old quary and sidings lol, but the walk to and across the viaduct with the view is marvellous, then a pasty and beer on the station. All very civil and not at all expensive, The Polar Express at Christmas seems to get a lot of airtime on local TV and good reviews.
     
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    I always get a bit confused as to who owns the actual line (Aggregate Industries I think?), with Devon County Council owning the station (again I think), British American Railways and The Dartmoor Railway all being involved it’s quite a complicated setup.
     
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    Turnover figures are pretty meaningless on their own. Have any of these made a profit?

    Edit: Just checked. Dartmoor made a loss of £275k in 2017 and Weardale a loss of £450k the same year.
    Neither have filed accounts for 2018, which are now well overdue. Who would take either of them on?
     
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    Indeed, "turnover is vanity, profit is sanity"...
     
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    RMS even worse £767k loss in 2017 and no details since.
     
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    One of the comments off the FB thread was that one of the US based parent companies Iowa Pacific was in receivership.
     
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    ISTR reading about Network Rail being interested in purchasing the freehold of the Okehampton line a few years ago. I don't know whether they were successful or not.
     
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    I have not been on the Dartmoor Railway but have been on the Weardale Line a couple of times, it was good. There is also a good pub near the station before Stanhope. :D Hope both lines do survive.
     
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    I’ve got a friend who works for Network Rail who thinks they do own the trackbed. But I’m still not totally convinced.
     
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    First Greater Western's track access agreement with NR for Okehampton services defines the rights as 'Applies on Network Rail infrastructure only' (i.e. only as far north as Coleford Junction).
     
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    I was under the impression the track after Coleford Junction is owned by BAR. I was reading the feasibility report via Devon CC into the Oakehamptom Park and Ride and it mentions that about 1/3 of the track and some bridges etc are in poor condition, as well as some level crossing issues, is there a risk that Network Rail would not wish to take it on?
     
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    I’ve given my head a bit of a wobble and put it back on properly now.
     
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    Reading the report by Jacobs indicates that the trackbed is owned by Aggregate Industries, but is on a long term lease by BARS, with BARS being responsible for the track maintenance up to Coleford Junction. Looking at Google Maps, the Level Crossings appear to be farm type user worked crossings, and the report says that while a good proportion of the track is in good to fair condition, there is at least a stretch roughly 5 miles long of some concern, where it is listed as poor.

    BARS does have a safety case, however when GWR operates up there it does it on their safety case - there is no GSMR up there although the report states that NR is considering it, pending the outcome of services returning up there - and when it’s decided who will take the ownership & responsibility of the track bed.

    However, some of the ideas for the Okehampton Parkway Station is bizarre! They range from a simple platform built over on the up track bed and a groundframe & catchpoint to separate the GWR to Exeter with Dartmoor Railway to Meldon to a fanciful arrangement with a number of options for bay platforms and East Grinsted style loops for the line up from Exeter / Line down from Meldon. It’s no wonder why fairly simple projects like this seem to take so long.
     
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    Good bit of detail there thanks Rich.
     
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    Real shame. I only have visited Dartmoor once. No trains running but had the locos for the Christmas trains stabled; class 33 and peak I think. So quick photos before heading back to work.
     

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