Disruption to services - Storm Dudley & Storm Eunice

[43066]

Any blanket speed restrictions yet for today and tomorrow?

50mph is being planned for on the MML.

 

[Class 466]

Is Kent likely to be less affected by this? (forecast says no) Just seems odd that in comparison to all the surrounding TOCs who are making vast sweeping changes to their services, cancelling a few peak time trains out of Cannon St is the most disruptive extent of Southeastern's revisions.

 

[800001]

50mph for ECML (GTR) we were told

50mph Kings Cross to York/Leeds.

 

[brad465]

Is Kent likely to be less affected by this? (forecast says no) Just seems odd that in comparison to all the surrounding TOCs who are making vast sweeping changes to their services, cancelling a few peak time trains out of Cannon St is the most disruptive extent of Southeastern's revisions.

Kent is in the Amber wind warning area so I'd have thought so, and on the BBC site Maidstone has 70mph gusts in its forecast.

 

[MikeWM]

Type storm Eunice into google and you will see many of the big names in the media with articles about the potential for a catastrophic event. IMO the real issue here is that they seem to do this all to frequently throughout the autumn and winter. By the time something genuinely dangerous is on the cards the general public are far too desensitized to it. Nobody I have spoken to seems all that concerned about this despite knowing it will be stormy. Perhaps if the media stopped hyping everything up to get clicks people might have a better chance of knowing when to take action.

Agree entirely. This is increasingly appearing to be a classic example of the boy crying wolf. Tomorrow there is actually going to be a wolf.

 

[jkkne]

I see where you are coming from but I do not think lack of media attention is the problem.

Type storm Eunice into google and you will see many of the big names in the media with articles about the potential for a catastrophic event. IMO the real issue here is that they seem to do this all to frequently throughout the autumn and winter. By the time something genuinely dangerous is on the cards the general public are far too desensitized to it. Nobody I have spoken to seems all that concerned about this despite knowing it will be stormy. Perhaps if the media stopped hyping everything up to get clicks people might have a better chance of knowing when to take action.

I agree to a point and its the 2nd red warning in 3 months in the UK. I think the lessons learned from the response to the impact of Storm Arwen will hopefully make the likely disruption less painful (or at least the response more coherent) Arwen appeared to take the power companies and the Govt by surprise and didn't get a huge amount of coverage despite the Army being called in.

To their credit LNER, Nexus and Northern seemed well prepared and public transport contined to operate for those who needed it (though a double decker in 90mph urban winds isn't ideal!)

On your initial point, up here in the last 3 months we've had a red, 3 ambers and 8 yellow warnings for wind - it's becoming part of life, as least up here in sunny Northumberland

 

[MikeWM]

On your initial point, up here in the last 3 months we've had a red, 3 ambers and 8 yellow warnings for wind - it's becoming part of life, as least up here in sunny Northumberland

Part of the problem here is that we're likely to see very strong winds in places that haven't seen similar for some time. That ends up being significantly more disrputive/dangerous than the equivalent winds in places when they are a fairly frequent occurrence.

 

[Horizon22]

GWR amended timetable being worked on and expected at around 1600-1700. I imagine services terminating at Exeter / Plymouth and restarting from there.

 

[londonmidland]

OLE down in the Beattock area due to a fallen tree. All lines blocked.

 

[ungreat]

50mph Kings Cross to York/Leeds.

Ah ok. Im just going on what we got on staff updates

 

[800001]

Ah ok. Im just going on what we got on staff updates

LNER Amended timetable is being uploaded to System now.

Looks like from Kings Cross it will be
Xx:00 and xx:03 running, with all others cancelled.
The xx:30 Anglo Scot’s will be starting from York.

 

[MarkWi72]

It is going to be significant for the railways, if not elsewhere.

 

[Class 466]

Kent is in the Amber wind warning area so I'd have thought so, and on the BBC site Maidstone has 70mph gusts in its forecast.

This is exactly my point, looks as if they've had a change of heart with a huge raft of cancellations on HS1 going in now for tomorrow - expect that means a speed restriction is now going to be imposed on there too.

 

[43066]

Is Kent likely to be less affected by this? (forecast says no) Just seems odd that in comparison to all the surrounding TOCs who are making vast sweeping changes to their services, cancelling a few peak time trains out of Cannon St is the most disruptive extent of Southeastern's revisions.

The third rail bits wont suffer with wires down (obviously!), but blanket speed still likely due to risk of striking objects on the track.

 

[Master29]

GWR amended timetable being worked on and expected at around 1600-1700. I imagine services terminating at Exeter / Plymouth and restarting from there.

Looks like Cornwall is going to be hit pretty bad. Planned closures on the branch lines. I'm surprised they haven't yet advised people not to travel at all, just strongly advised to check journeys.

 

[duncombec]

Is Kent likely to be less affected by this? (forecast says no) Just seems odd that in comparison to all the surrounding TOCs who are making vast sweeping changes to their services, cancelling a few peak time trains out of Cannon St is the most disruptive extent of Southeastern's revisions.

50mph blanket restriction is also listed on their website, which could mean delays of 20 minutes. Also a reduced offpeak service at Meopham, Longfield and Marden.

 

[pompeyfan]

Any news on SWR? I’d imagine their reduced timetable should be reasonably resilient? I’d imagine they’ll look at turning the Waterloo - Portsmouth via Eastleigh at Basingstoke and putting everyone on the remaining Bournemouths?

 

[MadCommuter]

Dudley: Amber area for central Scotland. Scotrail shut up shop.

Eunice: Amber area for England South of Manchester(ish). Trains expected to run but with reduced speed.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Dudley: Amber area for central Scotland. Scotrail shut up shop.

Eunice: Amber area for England South of Manchester(ish). Trains expected to run but with reduced speed.

To be fair to ScotRail, they are the TOC that recently had a weather related fatal incident, so they will naturally be more careful.

 

[Mintona]

Seems like tomorrow was a good day for me to take an annual leave day.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Seems like tomorrow was a good day for me to take an annual leave day.

Certainly one would hope employers will be understanding of people wishing to do this even on short notice. Some won't, though.

 

[172007]

Seems like tomorrow was a good day for me to take an annual leave day.

Same here, annual leave day tomorrow (Friday). Watch a box set time and listen to the wind.

 

[ungreat]

GTR now advising NOT to travel tomorrow.

 

[MikeWM]

Here's something you won't see terribly often - this is for Freshwater, on the western tip of the Isle of Wight. 115mph gusts

 

[InOban]

To be fair to ScotRail, they are the TOC that recently had a weather related fatal incident, so they will naturally be more careful.

And because they shut up shop, NR had access to all the routes to clear debris, sort the OHLE etc and almost everything was running by mid morning. Excellent decision.

 

[172007]

Here's something you won't see terribly often - this is for Freshwater, on the western tip of the Isle of Wight. 115mph gusts

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70mph is 120km an hour. Suspect it's metric but still seems high for the storm that far south

70mph is 120km an hour. Suspect it's metric but still seems high for the storm that far south

My app says 67mph so yours is in Kph

 

[MadCommuter]

And because they shut up shop, NR had access to all the routes to clear debris, sort the OHLE etc and almost everything was running by mid morning. Excellent decision.

Then shouldn't it also be the case for Eunice?

 

[43066]

And because they shut up shop, NR had access to all the routes to clear debris, sort the OHLE etc and almost everything was running by mid morning. Excellent decision.

Quite honestly completely shutting up shop in genuine extremis like this is a lot more sensible than the “carry on until it falls over” approach generally adopted, and favoured upthread.

 

[MadCommuter]

Here's something you won't see terribly often - this is for Freshwater, on the western tip of the Isle of Wight. 115mph gusts

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My desktop shows this too and its mph. Sunday is showing 74mph gusts so I suspect there's an issue somewhere.

 

[Mcr Warrior]

Still quite surprising how little media focus this is receiving.

Top story on the BBC1 lunchtime news, just now!