Do trains run service for BST and GMT tonight due to clocks changing?

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  1. northernrail2009

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    Was thinking while on Train today about train services that run overnight tonight from Manchester to York and wanted to know so they run say a service at 01.30am brit summer time and then when the clocks go back again GMT? or do they change the clocks when no services are running?
     
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  3. SS4

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    There is a similar thread (albeit about the clocks going forward) here

    Post 9 in that thread

    Just change BST and GMT around where appropriate <D
     
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    I wonder.... at the spring change, if there was an hourly overnight service, presumably one would be cancelled and at the autumn change they would add an extra one in?
     
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    Looking at http://traintimes.org.uk/vic/gtw/00:59/30-Oct
    There would appear to be two trains leaving at 01:00 from London Victoria towards Gatwick. I suspect the journey planner is a little confused, but I would imagine that this means that there is one leaving at 01:00 BST, and then another at 01:00 GMT.
     
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    That is correct.
     
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    According to my friend who has access to past train times, the first 0100 train to Brighton ran but the second one (i.e. at 0100 GMT) was cancelled. Was the second one really cancelled or was it never really intended to run? Would passengers wanting to go from London to Brighton at 0100 GMT be entitled to a taxi from Three Bridges after getting the 0200 GMT train?
     
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    The 01.00 from Paddington to Reading only ran once (at 01.00 BST) and was shown as this in the journey planners/departure boards.
     
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    I thought this may crop up today so thought I'd have a look at how things work when the train is mid-service and it seems that the Live Departure Boards change system time but the train runs under the normal time - sure to help the PPM!!!

    Service 2A94 - 0100 (BST) London Victoria - Brighton

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    [B]Location 	  	Sch Dep.  	Exp Dep.	Lateness[/B]
    London Victoria		0100		0102	 	2
    Clapham Junction	0108 		0108	 	On time	  	  	 
    East Croydon	  	0122 		0122		On time 	 
    Purley		  	0127 		0128 		1 	 	 
    Horley	 	  	0138  		0143 		5 	 
    Gatwick Airport		0147 		0147 		On time 
    Three Bridges 	  	0152  		0151 		-1 	 
    Haywards Heath 	  	0206  		0105 		-61
    [B]			Sch Arr		Exp Arr[/B]
    Brighton		0223 	  	0118		-65
    
     
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    But that was the first 0100 train. What about the cancelled one an hour later?
     
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    If we stayed on GMT all year, but the expectation was that typical working hours would be (say) 9 am to 5.30 pm November to March, and 8 am to 4.30 pm April to October, could the train companies cope with changing the timetable (instead of the clocks) to deal with the different peak travel times in winter and summer?

    In the UK, sunrise typically varies between 4 am and 8 am (GMT). There is therefore a case for varying the typical working day, in four steps, from 5 am to 1.30 pm GMT (June and July) to 9 am to 5 30 pm GMT (December and January). Could the train companies cope with that?
     
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    I suppose the TOC with a delay/repay scheme are happy as they had an "extra" hour to complete overnight journeys?
     
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    "2A94 London - Brighton (the second one) didn't run because a member of train crew was unavailable" but that could just be an excuse given instead of saying the real one?
     
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    Why would you wan't to go to the great expense and hassle of changing the timetable and working hours rather than just changing the clocks?

    Most businesses do not revolve around how much day light there is anyway.
     
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    2A94 did run but 2A04 did not and I believe I saw what you saw, that it was cancelled due to lack of train crew.

    To be honest, it could well be the case as if you end up with two trains at 1am, the stock/staff required to run it may still be out elsewhere so cancelling it due to lack of train crew could well be a valid cause
     
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    This may have been discussed on another thread, but if we stayed on GMT all year, sunset on Jun 21st in the south would be around 8.30p.m. and it would be dark soon after 9.

    This would be even more noticeable by mid-August, when it would be dark by 8 p.m.

    I am not sure this would win much support with the holiday trade.
     
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    One might be tempted to say they're doing so already with their Draconian definition of Peak.

    eg: < 9:30am is often peak = no change
    1600-1900 is also peak = no change
     
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