alistairlees
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There are a number of Underground routes where National Rail tickets are valid without the need for a zonal fare or a cross-London marker.
For instance, a Peterborough to London Terminals ticket is valid to Kings Cross, Moorgate, Old Street and St Pancras. And it is also valid on the Underground from Kings Cross / St Pancras Underground to Moorgate.
There are details at https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ection-7-integrated-fares.70022/#post-1315636.
My question is, does any journey planner correctly only offer a London Terminals ticket for a journey from (for example) Peterborough to Moorgate? Or any other example where interavailability should be available.
For instance, I can only get the Thameslink journey planner to give me a Peterborough to London Zone U1 ticket, even if I specify "via London Kings Cross", for a journey from Peterborough to Moorgate. (Additionally, it returns a daft route after Kings Cross that is a walk to St Pancras; Thameslink to Farringdon; and tube to Moorgate - this is because there is no tube link from Kings Cross to Moorgate.)
This is a question about journey planners and compliance. Not about whether this interavailbility should exist, should be changed, should be better understood by TfL staff, should work on magstripe tickets etc. - there are probably threads for all those things.
The reasons I'm asking are:
- should journey planners get this correct?
- how come journey planners are selling Zone U1 tickets when they should not be (according to the rules)?
I suspect the answers are all to do with poor data (well, none really) to support this.
Still, back to the original question: is any journey planner doing this properly? Am I missing one that is? I tried National Rail, Thameslink, GWR. Only Trainline seems to get it more or less right, selling a York to London Terminals ticket via Kings Cross and the tube to Highbury & Islington to Moorgate. But you have to select "via London Kings Cross" to get that, and there's no need to go via HHY (though that might be quicker because of the data).
For instance, a Peterborough to London Terminals ticket is valid to Kings Cross, Moorgate, Old Street and St Pancras. And it is also valid on the Underground from Kings Cross / St Pancras Underground to Moorgate.
There are details at https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ection-7-integrated-fares.70022/#post-1315636.
My question is, does any journey planner correctly only offer a London Terminals ticket for a journey from (for example) Peterborough to Moorgate? Or any other example where interavailability should be available.
For instance, I can only get the Thameslink journey planner to give me a Peterborough to London Zone U1 ticket, even if I specify "via London Kings Cross", for a journey from Peterborough to Moorgate. (Additionally, it returns a daft route after Kings Cross that is a walk to St Pancras; Thameslink to Farringdon; and tube to Moorgate - this is because there is no tube link from Kings Cross to Moorgate.)
This is a question about journey planners and compliance. Not about whether this interavailbility should exist, should be changed, should be better understood by TfL staff, should work on magstripe tickets etc. - there are probably threads for all those things.
The reasons I'm asking are:
- should journey planners get this correct?
- how come journey planners are selling Zone U1 tickets when they should not be (according to the rules)?
I suspect the answers are all to do with poor data (well, none really) to support this.
Still, back to the original question: is any journey planner doing this properly? Am I missing one that is? I tried National Rail, Thameslink, GWR. Only Trainline seems to get it more or less right, selling a York to London Terminals ticket via Kings Cross and the tube to Highbury & Islington to Moorgate. But you have to select "via London Kings Cross" to get that, and there's no need to go via HHY (though that might be quicker because of the data).