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jopsuk

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so unlike NR, they're retaining the coupler then? I guess it means they can still be hired in as required for extra thunderbird cover by West Coast.
 

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Seems to be a mixture. I recall them being modified to be able to rescue 377s etc, having been a different height previously, 390s having them at "non-standard height"
That was certainly the original plan, but then they ended up being used on the snow train, and I'm not sure if they were modified in the end.

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The NR 57/3's which had the coupler removed look awful as there is a gaping hole in the front of it! they surely could have covered it over or left the coupler in even if it was disabled!
 

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Seems to be a mixture. I recall them being modified to be able to rescue 377s etc, having been a different height previously, 390s having them at "non-standard height"
as i have posted on another thread... im 99% sure that the different coupler heights between the pendolino/22X units and other dellner like couplers is down to EU directives for high speed train interoperability/specifications.

We already know that Pendolinos and Voyagers can couple together (atleast mechanically).. both of these falling into the high speed trains catagory.

So that should mean that a Class 390 Pendolino could couple upto a DB ICE, SNCF TGV, a Eurostar class 373 or a SouthEastern class 395

other units ie. turbostars, desiros, Junipers and Electrostars would not be covered by the EU directive/specification as they are not classed as "High Speed Trains"

and since the 57/3s were modified to allow use with pendolinos... thats why the couplers are (iirc) set higher, than if they had been modified for use with desiros or electrostars.
 

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How many 57's are NR getting..? Shame they did not keep their names.
NR took over 6x class 57/3s last summer/autumn

as regrards the names...
Virgin had an agreement with the owners of the "Thunderbirds" trademark, to allow the use of the brand/trademark...
if NR and/or DRS wished for their newly aquired 57/3s to retain the "Thunderbirds" related name.. they would have to negotiate an agreement with the Andersons, or whoever it is that holds/owns the trademark.
 
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NR are using them primarily for their 3rd-rail-land snow and ice trains that they've had built specially. Not sure whet they're supposed to be used for for the rest of the year- I guess general departmental work alongside the 73s, 31s and 37/97s
 

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I guess general departmental work alongside the 73s, 31s and 37/97s
No indication that this is the case at the moment. The fleet is undergoing a shake up with introduction of new test trains and DVT's, but no word on whether the 57's will be part of this.
 

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Couldn't Virgin have retained 57301 - 57305, or if they wanted to keep locos that were in better nick changed the names and numbers round so they had Thunderbirds 1 to 5 with their respective pilot's nameplate?
 

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Couldn't Virgin have retained 57301 - 57305, or if they wanted to keep locos that were in better nick changed the names and numbers round so they had Thunderbirds 1 to 5 with their respective pilot's nameplate?
Virgin have more than likely kept those 57 which have the lowest engine hours and have had fewest issues. Changing numbers of engines isn't just a case of painting a new one on the side so that just isn't worth it for the short time that that may have left. Hence why they seems to be little sign of a repaint of the ATW liveried examples.
 
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