- 26 Sep 2011
I heard some time ago there were plans to run class 90s in conjunction with DVTs to provide semi fast services to York and/or maybe Leeds.
Is this still planned?
Is this still planned?
Yes and no. The extra acceleration means that a 90 can keep to a 225 schedule on a semi-fast, but not if one ends up on a major express with longer non-stop sections. Presumably, they would be worried if a 90 has to run VICE a 91 (although I like the idea of having a V2-equivalent around, chances are that there would be if they could fill in on freight and parcels).Apparently 90s aren't fast enough (lower top speed, yet better acceleration).
I was on one today. Virtually had coach B to myself, and couldn't have been more than 100 people when I walked through to the buffet. Mind you, it was the 09:10 ex-Cross.Indeed. I caught one back to London back in September.
It would also allow XC to divert more services via Leeds (instead of Doncaster), if East Coast are providing an hourly Doncaster - York service.I believe EC still plan to extend the remaining Kings X - Newark services to run to / from York as well, now that plans to serve Lincoln every 2 hours have been dropped. Gives a good relief service for the hourly non-stop services between Kings X and York, and usually the cheaper advance tickets are to be found in abundance on these trains. (AND, according to a different thread on here, the provision of First Class complimentary items is also somewhat enhanced!)
That's my understanding too, but it would rely on the "slow" services being carefully managed so they don't interwork with the "fast" ones. At the moment East Coast could put any train on any duty at KX in times of disruption (with the obvious proviso that a 225 couldn't do the final bit of the run to Hull/ Harrogate/ Aberdeen/ Inverness)I understand that a 90 can keep up with a 91 on a stopping service but not a fast service
Before Eureka the service patterns were even worse, quite random - things are starting to become ordered.Hopefully if the Kings Cross - Newark services are extended to York there will be a standard stopping pattern every hour. This will then give, in addition to extra services between London and Doncaster/York an hourly local service for stations between Peterborough and Doncaster. Peterborough-Grantham-Newark-Retford-Doncaster needs an hourly local service just like Leicester-Market Harborough-Kettering-Wellingborough-Bedford on the MML. The between Retford and Newark in the past was always very poor.
There are already five trains most hours between York and Newcastle (with more to come when TPE North electrification happens?)Ideally one of the stopper services would also be extended to Newcastle in alternate hours.
Stations such as Grantham & Stevenage (as one of the Leeds trains call there each hour) lost a direct service to Darlington, Durham & Newcastle.
The connections at York are tight (or a 2 hour wait at York southbound if you miss the stopper - I prefer to use those that change onto the Newark stopper) & as you have to use 2 trains the lower band for advance tickets is often not available for a through ticket without splitting somewhere.
Actually XC are against the plans to extend the current Newark terminators to York, as they conflict with XCs plans for speeding up the northbound Southampton/Reading-Newcastle via Doncaster services. The northbound service is currently around 20 minutes longer to Newcastle than the southbound service from Newcastle, and XC want to reduce this difference in journey time.It would also allow XC to divert more services via Leeds (instead of Doncaster), if East Coast are providing an hourly Doncaster - York service.
Actually XC are against the plans to extend the current Newark terminators to York, as they conflict with XCs plans for speeding up the northbound Southampton/Reading-Newcastle via Doncaster services. The northbound service is currently around 20 minutes longer to Newcastle than the southbound service from Newcastle, and XC want to reduce this difference in journey time.
Also Arriva related, extending the Newark terminator to York would also conflict with the services which Alliance Rail want to run.
Aye, my understanding was that they wanted more Leeds paths (and were happy to abandon Donny on most services).No idea why there is a time difference, because they both go via Doncaster anyway.
Also, don't XC wan't to near enough abandon Doncaster by running most, if not all their service via Leeds?
I had the same reaction when I first saw a 91 set in one of the North side bays at Leeds. Too used to seeing DMUs on Bradford and Harrogate locals over there many moons ago.