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Liam L
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Not allocated to anything according to RTT so probably not.
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The_Train
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Do these units go to Barrow Hill for some form of maintenance, or just for storage?
Just storage. Etches Park is quite full at the moment
The_Train
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Liam L
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I must of been seeing things yesterday then when I saw a XC 170.
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XC still have 170's. West Midlands Railway now has none.
I think he was being sarcastic…
Liam L
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I was
So plenty of 170s still in West Midlands then, eg on Cardiff - Nottinghams, Birmingham - Stansteds, etc.
SteveyBee131
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24 years, though it's only the WMR ones that have moved on. As others have said the XC ones will still be around the West Midlands day in day out for the foreseeable future.
317 forever
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It's a pity that XC could not have kept the 125s, transferred some 220s to replace the 170s, then the XC 170s gone to EMR to replace some 158s.
Wyrleybart
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This keeps being posted on railway forums.
Respectfully - four voyager coaches equal three Turbostar coaches in terms of seats, so why would you increase your train leasing, maintenance, Senior Conductor training, and increased fuel usage costs in order to carry the same number of passengers ?
From a personal point of view I agree about the HSTs - insofar as they should be replaced by rolling stock fit for long distance "inter city" work. HSTs are very tired and do need replacing - but with decent numbers of seats and not cramped four car fuel guzzling voyagers.
There have been LOTS of threads over the years which explained in great detail why Voyagers were not suitable 170 replacements. There is a drive to eliminate HSTs completely, at least in areas that DfT control. XC were never going to be made an exception. Newer stock will available to replace them if DfT are prepared to pay for that.
RailWonderer
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The Nottingham Cardiff would benefit from IC stock being over 3 hours long and having a good distance between calls.
If the DfT really did want to get rid of HST without reducing capacity (which they aren't) they would run a pair of Voyagers on the HST diagrams rather than order new stock. As it happens they are removing HSTs without replacement which will just lead to Voyager shortforms.
Wyrleybart
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On that basis you would be wanting inter city type stock on the Birmingham - Stansted Airport route but both are really interurban services and I question how many pax actually travel all the way from Nottingham to Cardiff in one hit.
Maybe you can explain how DfT are not reducing XC capacity even though they are binning 40 Mk3s by October, and not (at this time) announcing any replacements ?
Personally, I am suspecting battles taking place behind closed doors over this in a similar manner to the GWR "Castles". Initially they were phased withdrawals with all to be gone by January 2024. This now seems to be "until they run out of miles". I think there will be some politically awkward questions being asked of the politicians which may result in the DfT having to revise rolling stock strategies, particularly with XC, and I suspect ex AWC 221s will be re leased. It will be political suicide for the current government to allow it's DfT to deliberately reduce XC seats this Autumn and Winter, particularely during the festive travel period. The electorate won't forget a miserable 2023 festive period when they have to place their "X" just over a year later
43074
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170203 is now in EMR Regional livery, was seen shunting on Eastcroft today.
sprinterguy
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Almost twenty four years. There's a decent potted pictorial history of 170s in the West Midlands here:
Illustrated Guide to the Central Trains Class 170s
"At the time, all of the as yet unbuilt Turbostars in Porterbrook’s speculative batch were designated Class 170/3. So as of September 1998, ...
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QSK19
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Quite an unusual one from this evening at Loughborough station - a 170 calling at platform 2. It was 2L74, the 16:41 departure from Grimsby Town.
I don’t think it stopped at Barrow, Sileby and Syston - in fact, the Intercity train that my son and I caught to Leicester (coincidently the last ever London-bound 180 service) was travelling a lot more slowly than usual, presumably because it was following the 170.
I don’t think it stopped at Barrow, Sileby and Syston - in fact, the Intercity train that my son and I caught to Leicester (coincidently the last ever London-bound 180 service) was travelling a lot more slowly than usual, presumably because it was following the 170.
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Jacob Porrett
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Interesting read thank you.Almost twenty four years. There's a decent potted pictorial history of 170s in the West Midlands here:
Illustrated Guide to the Central Trains Class 170s
"At the time, all of the as yet unbuilt Turbostars in Porterbrook’s speculative batch were designated Class 170/3. So as of September 1998, ...
The signalbox at Langworth on the Lincoln to Barnetby line had a power failure. In the case of heavy delay to Ivanhoe trains the standard procedure is run them fast line from Trent and depending on the length of delay non stop from either Loughborough or Nottingham. This allows the service to recover and then any passengers for Barrow, Sileby and Syston are told to remain on board the train and are dropped off on the way back north from Leicester. It causes them about another 10 to 15 minutes delay but prevents the service from being wrecked all day.
There is however one 170 each way booked to use the fast line platforms at Loughborough - the 2251 Leicester to Nottingham and 2320 Nottingham to Leicester. The latter is a busy train and quite often full and standing.
QSK19
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That’s very useful to know. It seems strange at first; but all makes sense with a very comprehensive explanation! Many thanks!
TT-ONR-NRN
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Realtime Trains | 2G75 2258 Cheltenham Spa to Cardiff Central | 13/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 2G75 2258 departure from Cheltenham Spa to Cardiff Central on 13/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
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Future EMR 170207 was allegedly coupled with 150245 in service last night. I know they can work together in service, but didn't know TfW ever did it.
Andy Pacer
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170s can work in multiple with 150/3/5/6/8/9 and 172 according to Platform 5's "Locomotices & Coaching Stock" handbook although not sure the post is relevant to EMR though other than they still have 158s.Realtime Trains | 2G75 2258 Cheltenham Spa to Cardiff Central | 13/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 2G75 2258 departure from Cheltenham Spa to Cardiff Central on 13/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Future EMR 170207 was allegedly coupled with 150245 in service last night. I know they can work together in service, but didn't know TfW ever did it.
MCR247
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As both are former Anglia units they may have even met before in a previous life (although I'm not sure how much overlap there would've been)Realtime Trains | 2G75 2258 Cheltenham Spa to Cardiff Central | 13/06/2023
Real-time train running information for 2G75 2258 departure from Cheltenham Spa to Cardiff Central on 13/06/2023. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Future EMR 170207 was allegedly coupled with 150245 in service last night. I know they can work together in service, but didn't know TfW ever did it.
Speedbird96
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Hearing that automated announcements are now starting to be installed on the Class 170s.
There is a trial ongoing at the moment prior to general go live, featuring 10 Regional units- 158770, 158777, 158854, 158856, 158864, 170205, 170271, 170419, 170513, 170515.
Banham7
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Can confirm this on 170205, albeit they are quite lengthy in regards to safety and general information.
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