starrymarkb
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Looks like it might be a driver's Barbecue - no service today between Lincoln and Newark and between East Midlands Parkway and Liverpool due to a crew shortage...
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Qwerty133
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RMT members are on an indefinite work to rule.
Eagle
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Because it's considered bad luck to call it industrial action.
AlexS
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Guards rather than drivers I believe.
starrymarkb
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Apologies for getting the Drivers/Guards wrong - just going on what flashed up at work (our bulletins come from our powers that be...)
Qwerty133
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Think it also includes station staff and customer services!
Eagle
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Currently there are no services between East Midlands Parkway and Liverpool. Passengers may use other EMT services between EMD and Sheffield, and TPE/Northern between Sheffield and Liverpool. There are also direct buses being put on between EMD and Manchester.
For Lincoln to Newark, it seems to be a limited service with some buses.
It does.
The management at East Midlands Trains are apparently trying to stall any talks with the RMT to resolve the dispute, which will only serve to lengthen the dispute and cause more disruption to customers.
Full article is on the RMT website, here.
MCW
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also not helped by the incident at Derby involving the HST (which was the one I was supposed to go skeg on) either, which due to the staff shortage, a replacement train never ran.
David Barrett
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I was chatting to an EMT Guard several months ago about this very subject and, I suppose, it has become an emergency, a text book case almost of how not to handle an emerging situation which all but the very blinkered would recgonise will be very difficult requiring high levels of co-operation, flexibility and goodwill all round.
Here in Lincolnshire EMT may well have lost the goodwill of many of their victims (regular passengers) already; a few more staff wouldn't make much difference at this stage where confidence in the company has reached an all time low.
Here in Lincolnshire EMT may well have lost the goodwill of many of their victims (regular passengers) already; a few more staff wouldn't make much difference at this stage where confidence in the company has reached an all time low.
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MCW
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I don't know the answer myself, but in what sense did you mean your question?
AlexS
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When it says 'retail/customer services', that's basically all station staff (ticket office/barrier/platform/supervisors) rather than the customer relations side of things.
The impact on the actual running of the train service though is mostly felt through the actions of the guards as the trains can't move without one.
edwin_m
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As well as keeping us informed, it would be very helpful to their own cause if the RMT posted some genuine explanation/examples of why the staff involved have a reasonable grievance. Following the link kindly posted above by trentside, it is just talking about tearing up agreements and rather vague mentions of bullying and intimidation, plus how the company is refusing to talk, which wouldn't be an issue if there hadn't been a dispute in the first place. Frankly it reads just like what the unions might have said in the 70s and is the perfect excuse for the Daily Mail and those who share its viewpoint to wheel out the dinosaur-type stories*.
The staff and the union would have much more sympathy if that link had included things like:
"Staff have to work 30min extra per shift for no extra pay"
"Staff have to travel at their own cost to an alternative station 10 miles away"
"Managers are denying access to staff rest accommodation"
...or whatever the issue in dispute actually is - I'm not saying these are the actual problems - as they haven't said so, I don't know!
*but they probably haven't, as it's too far from London.
The staff and the union would have much more sympathy if that link had included things like:
"Staff have to work 30min extra per shift for no extra pay"
"Staff have to travel at their own cost to an alternative station 10 miles away"
"Managers are denying access to staff rest accommodation"
...or whatever the issue in dispute actually is - I'm not saying these are the actual problems - as they haven't said so, I don't know!
*but they probably haven't, as it's too far from London.
Failed Unit
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I had given up already on the weekdays, as I should be regular user of that famous single coach sardine can to Grimsby. But I do remember the same happened under CT - I just gave up on Sunday and drove to Newark North Gate rather than risking the train.
It is amazing that after over 15 years of privatisation we haven't managed to get an agreement on Sunday working that keeps everyone happy.
You can't expect a press release to contain the minutiae, otherwise no-one would print it. Contrast with EMT, who appear to be saying nothing about it at all. As an EMT passenger, I found the link provided was sufficient to explain the RMT's position. "Ripping up agreements" may be vague, but very serious if true, and if there's something unjustified or untrue about the RMT position, EMT should be telling us.
As a purveyor of the aforementioned single coach sardine tin to Grimsby, I'm not happy at the prospect of delays, but I would support staff unless EMT demonstrate that they're being unreasonable.
Now that just sounds like the Daily Mail.
edwin_m
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Has anyone printed anything from this one?
Slightly surprising I agree, but perhaps it is some kind of olive branch?
As another EMT passenger, I didn't.
Giving some examples of what agreements are being ripped up would help us to understand that they are real issues (assuming they are!) and allow EMT to respond if they disagree with the accusations being made.
Many others wouldn't, including many people who remember what went on in the 70s. Even those who think that what came after wasn't any better!
Which demonstrates how easy it is to do so based on this sort of "information".
Qwerty133
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Cancellations now spread to 'london' services with 12:32 East Mids Parkway to St Pancras being cancelled throughout
ex-railwayman
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Yeah, wouldn't Customer Relations/Services staff (non-retail/station and platform oeratives) belong to their own clerical union anyway, the TSSA, rather than RMT??
By the time this industrial problem gets resolved the work at Nottingham will have been completed and everything will be back to normal, I guess Mr.Crow had his summer holiday back in May, as he's far too busy to have one now.....
Cheerz. ex-railwayman.
Richard1960
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I will never travel with East Midlands again after a disastrous trip to Sheffield from Norwich last weekend due to many mishaps, :mad::mad::mad:
Industrial action i accept being a union steward myself,the lack of info East Midlands management provided i cannot live with.
Either it was industrial action or it was not .
EMT get your act together.
Industrial action i accept being a union steward myself,the lack of info East Midlands management provided i cannot live with.
Either it was industrial action or it was not .
EMT get your act together.
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Won't be the only TOC who are lacking in this department.
Richard1960
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No sadly i agree.
But management at EMT are ultimately responsible for all the cr-- i was given.:-x:-x:-x:-x
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brianthegiant
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They seem to have guys with STM security bibs doing platform duties at Beeston & East Midlands parkway the last few days.
the guy at Beeston seemed to be doing informal train despatch (hurrying people onto train). But not actually despatching the train.
So a bit of 'strike breaking' going on
the guy at Beeston seemed to be doing informal train despatch (hurrying people onto train). But not actually despatching the train.
So a bit of 'strike breaking' going on
12CSVT
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There is a report in the latest CIRAS newsletter about the safety implications of overcrowding on 2T51 16:45 Newark North Gate to Grimsby, currently booked for a class 153.
http://www.ciras.org.uk/newsletter/
Richard1960
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EMT are a disgrace how they keep their franchise i do not know particularly into Norwich where cancellations on a Sunday have to be seen to be believed.
Which elements of their franchise specification are they in breach of and have they been issued a warning relating to a breach of contract? If not then why would they have their franchise removed?
EMTs response to this is that they are doing errrrm . . . . Nothing.
Richard1960
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I have used EMT three times and three times i have had ticket refunds due to pi-- poor service.
Exibit 1) Faulty trian from Norwich to Chesterfield change at Derby train put on left before all of us crossed the platforms EMT platform manager admittted mess up(27/082013).
Exibit2) All direct train services from Liverpool to Norwich cancelled at short notice on 28/07/2013 no notice on station platforms for customers.
Exibit3) EMT trains canclled a train from Norwich to East Midlands parkway (last tuesday) then lent the train to Greater Anglia to run to Lowestoft and Back.
Enough said.
Pi-- poor i had a conversation with one of their platform managers even he said he was embarassed by EMT sometimes.At this rate they pay me to travel or er not.
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That doesn't actually answer my question...
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