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Entire 800/801/802 fleet stood down for safety checks

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GWR are, as stated earlier running a shuttle 387 service between Didcot and Paddington, was just on it, showing off the 110mph capability- great run! Paddington is eerie, 387s and 345s only, and not many of them. We did pass a 80x between Didcot and Reading so it does look like at least some are in service...
 
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GWR are, as stated earlier running a shuttle 387 service between Didcot and Paddington, was just on it, showing off the 110mph capability- great run! Paddington is eerie, 387s and 345s only, and not many of them. We did pass a 80x between Didcot and Reading so it does look like at least some are in service...
Even just seeing Paddington on OTT looked weird. Interesting to hear what it actually looks like. :)

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Im not overly surprised with this fault. Having ridden on the GWR IEP’s many times, I find they have poor suspension and they are very ‘clunky’ over bad track sections and point work. Also, at speeds in excess of 100mph I noticed a lot of lateral movement on these trains compared to a HST at the same speed on the same line. Im not an engineering expert by any stretch of the imagination, but as a passenger there were many things about the ride quality and stability at high speeds that concern me about this train design.
 

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GWR are, as stated earlier running a shuttle 387 service between Didcot and Paddington, was just on it, showing off the 110mph capability- great run! Paddington is eerie, 387s and 345s only, and not many of them. We did pass a 80x between Didcot and Reading so it does look like at least some are in service...

Were there many people on the train. I'm due to go from Paddington to Radley tomorrow but don't want to travel if the train will be packed.
 

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I see Gareth Dennis has popped up again: https://twitter.com/GarethDennis/status/1390970785817403393?s=19

I don't think it's unreasonable to query what difference lugging massive extra diesel engines underneath a train (one essentially designed to be electric-only) has had to the fatigue life of the units, even if it ends up not being part of the problem.

Not entirely sure what grounds this speculation is based on given what we officially know so far. Especially since IETs have never at any point been "electric only"
 

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I see Gareth Dennis has popped up again: https://twitter.com/GarethDennis/status/1390970785817403393?s=19



Not entirely sure what grounds this speculation is based on given what we officially know so far. Especially since IETs have never at any point been "electric only"

I think people just need to ignore Gareth any time he talks about rolling stock (possibly more!)

You are right of course, IEP was always intended to have some bimodal units, unless there were secret plans afoot to wire up to inverness/worcester/etc
 

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I don't think it's unreasonable to query what difference lugging massive extra diesel engines underneath a train (one essentially designed to be electric-only) has had to the fatigue life of the units, even if it ends up not being part of the problem.

I'm not sure this is relevant at all ? I know bimode trains are new to the UK, but still, what a weird question to think of.
And surely the trains were designed with that in mind ?
 

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385s are Hitachi too.
But the class 385 are class AT200 trains and are not part of the AT300 family. But yes both are based on the design of the Hitachi A-Train. If the body of the AT200 was built in the same way as the AT300, then yes I see a need for the class 385 to be checked as well. But you have to remember that the AT300 trains have extra strain in the carriages where there is a diesel engine, where as the AT200 Class 385 are purely electric trains, so probably not put under the same strain. So if this seems a Gareth Dennis response and would like to be corrected if I am wrong?
 

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Im not overly surprised with this fault. Having ridden on the GWR IEP’s many times, I find they have poor suspension and they are very ‘clunky’ over bad track sections and point work. Also, at speeds in excess of 100mph I noticed a lot of lateral movement on these trains compared to a HST at the same speed on the same line. Im not an engineering expert by any stretch of the imagination, but as a passenger there were many things about the ride quality and stability at high speeds that concern me about this train design.
Agreed. The riding quality on them is not good at all - when they were reasonably new I was a regular on the ECML for a while and had runs with Mark 3s, Mark 4s and 80x over the same stretch in the space of a week. The 80x was significantly worse than the Mark 4 (which itself was wasn't up to Mark 3 standards): even on plain line the 80x was hunting badly and lost any form of ride quality over points and crossings. That poor ride, which was being restrained by the yaw dampers, would inevitably set up stresses in components, including the bodyshell in the area where the yaw dampers are attached.
 

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Are SW Railway accepting GWR tickets? They aren't shown as doing so and are the obvious alternative for many GWR journeys. As well as being the same parent company.
 

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The 0755 Inverness to the cross running too, looking at GNER live alerts more trains running than cancellations, perhaps the problem is not going to have a disastrous effect on services , disruptions yes but hopefully you can get where you want to be
There hasn't been a GNER live alert since 2007 :D
If this ends up being a long term problem what is there available to cover them?
I assume LNER can pull most of the 91's back but are there enough HST's still in working order for there diesel routes and for GWR?
I gather a small number of 91+Mk4 sets are being brought online today but the majority will need checks before they can be taken back into service as they've been sat around for some time.

(Original) HSTs are not allowed to run anywhere other than the MML as that's the only route for which they still have a derogation from accessibility rules, and someone posted upthread that the castle class aren't cleared into Paddington.

Are SW Railway accepting GWR tickets? They aren't shown as doing so and are the obvious alternative for many GWR journeys. As well as being the same parent company.
I don't think they have much room on the Exeter/Bristol route, and Reading-Paddington is still getting service via 387s.
 

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Are SW Railway accepting GWR tickets? They aren't shown as doing so and are the obvious alternative for many GWR journeys. As well as being the same parent company.
Engineering works in the Salisbury/Gillingham/Warminster area unfortunately.
 

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But you have to remember that the AT300 trains have extra strain in the carriages where there is a diesel engine, where as the AT200 Class 385 are purely electric trains, so probably not put under the same strain.

Yeah but obviously the trains would have been designed with that extra mass in mind, don't you think ?
 

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I think people just need to ignore Gareth any time he talks about rolling stock (possibly more!)
He just needs to be ignored full stop. Hopefully until he disappears for good.
 

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I see Gareth Dennis has popped up again: https://twitter.com/GarethDennis/status/1390970785817403393?s=19



Not entirely sure what grounds this speculation is based on given what we officially know so far. Especially since IETs have never at any point been "electric only"
Given vehicles without engine rafts are affected his comment is somewhat odd...

Hull Trains all back to normal.
Their units are the newest and the lowest mileage so had the best chance of not being affected.
 

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Yeah but obviously the trains would have been designed with that extra mass in mind, don't you think ?
I would hope so, but have known issues in other areas where the weight has not been taken into account. A good example would be the recent bridge collapse in Mexico. To me, it would seem that somebody did not take into account the amount of weight that the bridge structure would need to cope with trains running on it and the weather conditions that the area would see.

Given vehicles without engine rafts are affected his comment is somewhat odd...


Their units are the newest and the lowest mileage so had the best chance of not being affected.
He possibly like me, may not be aware that vehicles without engine rafts are affected. I must confess though, I did wonder of that was the case.
 

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Agreed. The riding quality on them is not good at all - when they were reasonably new I was a regular on the ECML for a while and had runs with Mark 3s, Mark 4s and 80x over the same stretch in the space of a week. The 80x was significantly worse than the Mark 4 (which itself was wasn't up to Mark 3 standards): even on plain line the 80x was hunting badly and lost any form of ride quality over points and crossings. That poor ride, which was being restrained by the yaw dampers, would inevitably set up stresses in components, including the bodyshell in the area where the yaw dampers are attached.
You are spot on there..100%. Perhaps this hunting and poor ride quality of the IEP has led directly to this fault? Time will tell. I think this train needs a complete new bogie/suspension re-design because the design they have now is just not up to the standards needed for a smooth and comfortable ride.
 

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Looks like there’s only 2 Cl 800s out on LNER. 105 on 1E06 Glasgow to KGX and 101 on 1E13 0752 INV to KGX. Rest running are 801s, seems to be 11 of them out
 

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Even just seeing Paddington on OTT looked weird. Interesting to hear what it actually looks like. :)

-Peter
There was just an eerie buzz from the pantograph car of the few 387s and 345s. Wanted to grab a photo but was in a rush to get to the tube...


Were there many people on the train. I'm due to go from Paddington to Radley tomorrow but don't want to travel if the train will be packed.
Wasn't packed, quite a lot got on at Reading but the two shuttles I saw were 8 coach, my train there was still enough room to social distance.
 

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These trains weren't meant for the old victorian infrastructure.
IF that were the case (which it isn’t) why would they have built them that way then, given that there is no possible way to upgrade the infrastructure they run on during their entire service lifetime.
LNER and GWR leaving passengers stranded? Absolutely disgusting, then again why am I not surprised....
Nobody is stranded. It’s lunch time.
Hull Trains all back to normal.
Got 3 trains checked ;)
I'm not sure this is relevant at all ? I know bimode trains are new to the UK, but still, what a weird question to think of.
And surely the trains were designed with that in mind ?
It’s just agenda fuelled I’m afraid. Best to be ignored.
 

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I would hope so, but have known issues in other areas where the weight has not been taken into account. A good example would be the recent bridge collapse in Mexico. To me, it would seem that somebody did not take into account the amount of weight that the bridge structure would need to cope with trains running on it and the weather conditions that the area would see.
Most things to do with Mexico City Line 12 have a long history with well stuffed brown paper envelopes being the main issue (see previous Mexican parliamentary inquiries)
 

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Agreed. The riding quality on them is not good at all - when they were reasonably new I was a regular on the ECML for a while and had runs with Mark 3s, Mark 4s and 80x over the same stretch in the space of a week. The 80x was significantly worse than the Mark 4 (which itself was wasn't up to Mark 3 standards): even on plain line the 80x was hunting badly and lost any form of ride quality over points and crossings. That poor ride, which was being restrained by the yaw dampers, would inevitably set up stresses in components, including the bodyshell in the area where the yaw dampers are attached.

On the numerous and sharp curves on the South Devon main line between N. Abbot and Plymouth ( in particular) the IETs bogies seem to go round the curves in a series of 'jerks' , whereas their predecessors
and other current trains, including the Baby HSTs, seem to 'flow' comfortably through the curves.
 

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You are spot on there..100%. Perhaps this hunting and poor ride quality of the IEP has led directly to this fault? Time will tell. I think this train needs a complete new bogie/suspension re-design because the design they have now is just not up to the standards needed for a smooth and comfortable ride.
I’m sure if you write to them they’ll be more than happy to share their opinions on this with you.
 

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Supposedly 1P25 is still running from worc to pad. Anyone know if this is an iet?
-Robert
Edit: looks canceled now
 
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Very difficult process'​

Roger Ford, industry and technology editor at the magazine Modern Railways, said the problem is "with the weld cracking underneath [the train's] body shell" which he explained led to about 180 trains being taken out of service on Saturday morning for inspection.
He told BBC business correspondent Katy Austin that while body shell cracking would not "cause the trains to crash or disintegrate or anything like that", he said it is a "serious point" that requires action because if metal fatiguing is allowed to continue, the "cracks will spread, and the body shell strength will be weakened".
Mr Ford added that repairing aluminium trains is a "very difficult process" because of the electronic equipment inside them.
He said: "If you get a welding torch up against the [electronics]... it can fry [them] so the first thing you have to do is take all the electronics out, disconnect all the electrical equipment, that takes a day or two, then you do the repair, then you have to put it all back again."
He added there were about 1,000 carriages to deal with, so it would be "quite a considerable job".

This copied from BBC news, not a case of pointing a TIG welder at it then !!
 

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TPE have managed to get an 802 out for the delayed 1142 Newcastle to Liverpool albeit showing to terminate at York. Looked very well loaded through Chester le Street. A little while earlier a pair of 185s did a York-Newcastle.
 
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