EU Referendum: The result and aftermath...

[Muttley]

And the analogy falls at the first step...

You reckon PD grosses more than £350m a week ?
I don't.
The analogy stands.

 

[EM2]

You reckon PD grosses more than £350m a week ?
I don't.
The analogy stands.

No it doesn't, because the UK doesn't give the EU all of its income.

 

[EM2]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46056337?__twitter_impression=true

The National Crime Agency is investigating Arron Banks and his Leave.EU campaign for alleged offences committed at the 2016 EU referendum.

Mr Banks and another senior campaign figure, Liz Bilney, were referred to the agency by the Electoral Commission.

The watchdog said it suspected money given to the campaign came "from impermissible sources".

Mr Banks has consistently denied any wrongdoing in connection to the referendum campaign.

The Electoral Commission investigation focused on £2m reported to have been loaned to Better for the Country, which ran Leave.EU, by Mr Banks and his group of insurance companies and a further £6m reported to have been given to the organisation, on behalf of Leave.EU, by Arron Banks alone.

Of this, £2.9m was used to fund referendum spending on behalf of Leave.EU and donations to other campaign groups during the EU referendum, the Electoral Commission said.

The Electoral Commission says it has "reasonable grounds to suspect" that Mr Banks was not the true source of the £8m loans made to Better for the Country.

Leave.EU was a separate campaign to the official Vote Leave organisation.

 

[Puffing Devil]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/amp/uk-politics-46056337?__twitter_impression=true

Finally, the cupboards are being opened and the skeletons are coming out. Quite appropriate after Halloween! Enough to put the referendum outcome in doubt?

 

[Howardh]

Finally, the cupboards are being opened and the skeletons are coming out. Quite appropriate after Halloween! Enough to put the referendum outcome in doubt?

Probably not, but the latest on Sky news is that there are plans afoot to airlift stranded passengers in the EU back to Britain in the event of no-deal and flights being grounded - I kid you not (which begs the question why won't the allocated airlift planes be grounded too....??? **answer - they will be EU registered I suppose) so I wonder if Jezza and Kezza with three screaming preteens stranded at Palma Airport for hours upon hours would still put Freedom of Movement top of their referendum priorities? Or perhaps an easy journey home might change their vote??

 

[Muttley]

No it doesn't, because the UK doesn't give the EU all of its income.

Not a problem, I'm not an inflexible monster.
You pick a percentage, and I'll let you have the same deal as PD. What would you like to send me, 10%, 20%, 35% ?

 

[nlogax]

Not a problem, I'm not an inflexible monster.
You pick a percentage, and I'll let you have the same deal as PD. What would you like to send me, 10%, 20%, 35% ?

You're being daft. The UK's net contribution to the EU is under 1 percent of GDP. As is the gross contribution.

 

[EM2]

Not a problem, I'm not an inflexible monster.
You pick a percentage, and I'll let you have the same deal as PD. What would you like to send me, 10%, 20%, 35% ?

The contribution made to the EU equates to about 1.2% of Government spending (not income).
https://www.ons.gov.uk/economy/gove...les/theukcontributiontotheeubudget/2017-10-31
But also you don't get to choose which 26 members I can talk to, because everyone (including me) would have a veto.

 

[Esker-pades]

You reckon PD grosses more than £350m a week ?
I don't.
The analogy stands.

£350 million a week works out as 1.2% of our national GDP. So, for your analogy to work, PD would have to send you 1.2% of his wages. Not 100%. And you would have to give ~50% of that 1.2% back to PD.

So, your analogy does fall.

 

[JayDee]

Stuff not pointed out by the BBC is about half the electoral commission is quitting/resigning due to their incompetence on numerous matters, including their earlier "gotcha" that got thrown out of court due to them giving wrong advice in the first place to a vote leave person.

They've also simply ignored any calls to investigate the remain campaigns for doing the same, displaying a rather clear bias and called incompetent by other bodies.

Banks seems to be relishing the chance to grandstand then crow about it if/when the case is thrown out. Foreign money from "odd" sources is not really a Pandora's box politicians should have wanted opening, doubly so when Soros who once tanked the UK economy can give money freely and not be referred to the NCA.

 

[Muttley]

£350 million a week works out as 1.2% of our national GDP. So, for your analogy to work, PD would have to send you 1.2% of his wages. Not 100%. And you would have to give ~50% of that 1.2% back to PD.

So, your analogy does fall.

The analogy stands.
That's four of you interested in sending me 1.2% of your wages.
Many thanks.

 

[Esker-pades]

The analogy stands.
That's four of you interested in sending me 1.2% of your wages.
Many thanks.

I don't have a job. So, you owe me 1.2% of my £27,750 student debt. Or, £333 to be paid directly to Student Finance England please!

 

[EM2]

The analogy stands.

Why, in your analogy, would I not be allowed to PM other members?
Are you suggesting that EU members don't talk to each other, unless it's under the auspices of the EU?

 

[Howardh]

The analogy stands.
That's four of you interested in sending me 1.2% of your wages.
Many thanks.

That'll be 77p, 1.2% of my weekly carer's allowance. I'd send it but the cost of postage would be prohibitive.
Will Brexit help full-time carers like me? No need to answer, I already know. It begins and ends with "zero".

 

[Puffing Devil]

Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

 

[Muttley]

Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

Good ignoring.
Well done.

You've had your questions answered, and just because you don't agree you have a sulk.

One question for you, if we weren't in the current EU, would you vote to join ?

 

[Muttley]

I don't have a job. So, you owe me 1.2% of my £27,750 student debt. Or, £333 to be paid directly to Student Finance England please!

Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
You'll notice that the UKs deficit may be coming down, but the debt is still increasing. And even though we're in debt we still give (your figures) 1.2% away to the EU.
To continue my analogy, your student debt is no concern of mine, but I still require 1.2% of your income, be it Jobsekers Allowance, Universal Credit, or just goodwill from friends/family.

 

[Esker-pades]

Sorry, it doesn't work like that.
You'll notice that the UKs deficit may be coming down, but the debt is still increasing. And even though we're in debt we still give (your figures) 1.2% away to the EU.
To continue my analogy, your student debt is no concern of mine, but I still require 1.2% of your income, be it Jobsekers Allowance, Universal Credit, or just goodwill from friends/family.

And, in return, I require over 50% of that 1.2% back from you for various home improvements (see EU contributions towards roads in the Highlands etc.) and unlimited free access to all other members' markets, as well as those outside parties who have signed up to deals.
If you agree to those terms (which membership of the EU gets you) then I will happily send over £2.49 a week (which is 1.2% of my "income").

How would you balance the desire to have different customs laws and agreements than the EU whilst maintaining a soft border between Ireland, Northern Ireland and Great Britain?

 

[EM2]

One question for you, if we weren't in the current EU, would you vote to join ?

I would.

 

[EM2]

Good ignoring.
Well done.

You've had your questions answered, and just because you don't agree you have a sulk.

Well, PD hasn't had their questions answered.
You said that you *would* answer them, but only on agreement of a ridiculously flawed analogy which PD had to accept.

 

[Howardh]

I would.

Me too, including Schengen - might even accept the Euro when we get back to good exchange rates. If we go back we may have to, so I would suggest anyone who is anti-Euro should wish we remained in on the same terms and kept Sterling!

 

[furnessvale]

I would.

Without a knowledge of just what situation the UK would be in now if it had never been in the EU, you are demonstrating the sort of blind faith that you accuse Brexiters of having.

 

[EM2]

Without a knowledge of just what situation the UK would be in now if it had never been in the EU, you are demonstrating the sort of blind faith that you accuse Brexiters of having.

But I can see what benefits membership of the EU has brought to other countries, like Ireland for example. I have evidence.

 

[AlterEgo]

But I can see what benefits membership of the EU has brought to other countries, like Ireland for example. I have evidence.

Ireland isn’t a country comparable to the UK though. Its economy was vastly different and frankly backward before it joined the EEC, and it took out more than it put in for 33 years, unlike many other countries.

 

[Esker-pades]

Don't. Feed. The. Troll.

It's quite interesting though. Part of my degree is studying the EU (how it works, what it does etc.) and seeing the perceptions of the EU as opposed to the reality is interesting.

 

[trash80]

What the hell is Muttley on about?

 

[furnessvale]

But I can see what benefits membership of the EU has brought to other countries, like Ireland for example. I have evidence.

If the UK joined as net recipients things could have been different. But we didn't and I don't think that would be an option in your scenario either.

The EU wants the UK for its wealth and world strength. Nothing altruistic in it.

 

[radamfi]

The UK was one of the poorest countries in the EEC in the 70s. Circa 1980 GDP per capita was about $3500, whereas West Germany, France, Belgium and the Netherlands were around $5000-6000. The UK was famously nicknamed "the sick man of Europe"

 

[EM2]

The EU wants the UK for its wealth and world strength. Nothing altruistic in it.

Then why did De Gaulle veto our entry for so long?

 

[furnessvale]

Then why did De Gaulle veto our entry for so long?

De Gaulle was a bitter and twisted man who grudgingly accepted that the USA liberated his country but would never accept the UK (or Canada) role in France's liberation. "Vive Quebec libre!" What a disgraceful intervention in politics in a country where you are a guest.