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Should be back to 1W11, W13 reverting to a 2 car 197.
The Prisoner
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Apologies if this has been covered, but is there any plan to use these on the Holyhead - Cardiff services other than the Gerald? I'd been planning a trip from Chester to Swansea, but it seems to be a constant stream of 197s or even 150s. Sure there used to be Mk 4s a year or two back (my office overlooks the viaduct next to Chester Racecourse).
berneyarms
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No they have reallocated the sets to Cardiff-Manchester.
craigybagel
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Conformed in next week's WONs, the linespeed changes Crewe - Shrewsbury go live from Sunday April 7th.
IslandLine101
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Will the timetables be sped up in June to account for this? And do we know how they're getting on with Onibury to Shrewsbury? Its great to see progress being made
BillStampy
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67012 allocated to Manchester start tomorrow morning (with HD04), first run in passenger service for TfW in a long while, I plan on seeing it on 1V50 tomorrow aswell.
craigybagel
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Probably not. More likely they'll wait till the big timetable change in December. Plus there isn't that much space to tighten the times - the existing times are very tight and a struggle to meet with the current limits
No news or signs of work, but that isn't too concerning. It was the same with Crewe - Shrewsbury until last week when the new speed boards (bagged over) suddenly appeared.
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They should run Manchesters hourly on to Swansea, whilst anything coming from the west of that should instead be tied in with services to Wrexham / Holyhead / Chester etc.
Yet another totally rammed 2-car 197 on Cardiff-Manchester on Saturday (1W16, 1311 arrival at Man Picc) with 20-30 being left on many stations on route. This was whilst 1D38 (1326 Airport-Picc-Llandudno) was noticed with 2x197s a 4-car, lightly loaded. The whole 197 order should have been 3-car.
Been a while to get 012 back, hopefully some of the other missing ones (017 and 020 being the longest now) will follow suit.
Been lots of loco swapping recently so now have:
HD01+67008
HD02+67014 (swaps to 010 on Friday)
HD03+67010 (swaps to 014 on Friday)
HD04+67012
HD05+67013
HD06+67022
HD07+67025
I assume it was seen at Piccadilly, hard to say as it could well be that 4 car is working a ‘busier’ diagram than the unit you were on which may be its only overcrowded service of the day. and whilst the 4 car is lightly loaded at that time could we’ll spend other times of day being very busy where a 2 car is unsuitable. It could possibly have been incredibly busy on its previous run into Piccadilly and the airport (possibly busier than your service would have been if it was a 4car) How do you assign units in that case ?
I agree that clearly the service you were on needed more than 2 coaches but that doesn’t mean the other shouldn’t be a 4 car.
As for the ordering of 2 coaches, 2 coach units ARE needed. I’ve explained it many times on here, but as an example plenty of Cambrian services need not be more than 2 coaches. And I’m sure there’s plenty of other services that equally don’t need to be more than 2.
And please don’t misunderstand me, I appreciate it would give a guarantee of getting no less than 3 coaches if they all were, but the real issue is just getting everything into service so that marches services don’t need to run as 2 cars just to run something.
Topological
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Marches will be fine as 3+2, which is being introduced in December 2023. The problem seems to be getting to that point.
However, TfW seem to have prioritised getting 197s onto Maesteg so we are still seeing the Marches left short, or even worse with 2-car 150s.
IF the Mk4 can at least be reliable enough to run the 1 less than planned diagrams then maybe there will be some double 197s on the Marches soon.
At least all 7 Mk4 have a loco now according to @sd0733 post.
However, TfW seem to have prioritised getting 197s onto Maesteg so we are still seeing the Marches left short, or even worse with 2-car 150s.
IF the Mk4 can at least be reliable enough to run the 1 less than planned diagrams then maybe there will be some double 197s on the Marches soon.
At least all 7 Mk4 have a loco now according to @sd0733 post.
Looking at RTT today anything from south wales to Manchester Piccadilly has been minimum of 3 cars with a few 4 and 5 car services.
Looks like only 1 2 car yesterday with everything else being 3,4 or 5.
Saturday did have quite a number of 2 car services though.
Topological
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That is really good, long may it continue.
The only trains that often turn out a 150 now are 1W92, 1V97 and 1W98 instead of a 158.
Topological
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So 2 going to Holyhead and 1 Holyhead to Cardiff. Presumably there are some swaps.
Worth saying that is still 3 headcodes too many.
Welshguy1048
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04/04/24 - DVT 82226 "Wales Air Ambulance Livery" & Class 67 - 67008 - Holyhead to Cardiff Central
Been some changes to this (already!)
67010 will now come off HD03 at Canton with 67015 heading down later to replace it, HD06 now has 67013 coming off HD05.
HD04 will tonight finish in Holyhead and like HD02 before it will enter temporary storage waiting for 02 to finish its exam at Crewe before heading there for B exam and 5 car. 67012 will return to Crewe as a spare loco.
The 05:30 from Holyhead will be a unit tomorrow as HD04 won't come out so HD05 will pick up the rest of the diagram from the 10:52 from Cardiff.
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BillStampy
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Lots of diagram changing then! Thankfully there isn't a major disruption caused by this except for tomorrows 0530, HD06 has taken HD03s diagram on 1V50 aswell.
Welshguy1048
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Afternoon
Is this a 67 and a set that is going to Crewe tomorrow?
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Dave
Is this a 67 and a set that is going to Crewe tomorrow?
Realtime Trains | 0Z22 0825 Holyhead Car. M.D. to Crewe C.S. | 05/04/2024
Real-time train running information for 0Z22 0825 departure from Holyhead Car. M.D. to Crewe C.S. on 05/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
www.realtimetrains.co.uk
Dave
Should be light engine 67012..the set will stay in Holyhead.Afternoon
Is this a 67 and a set that is going to Crewe tomorrow?
Realtime Trains | 0Z22 0825 Holyhead Car. M.D. to Crewe C.S. | 05/04/2024
Real-time train running information for 0Z22 0825 departure from Holyhead Car. M.D. to Crewe C.S. on 05/04/2024. From Realtime Trains, an independent source of train running info for Great Britain.
Dave
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Western 52
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Today's 1W56 has terminated at Cardiff. 67025 was making a howling noise on the run from Swansea. Not heard a 67 do that before.
BillStampy
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it was apparently previously cancelled at Swansea, then uncancelled, now cancelled again? That 67 can't be healthy!
Western 52
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It was running well enough, just a loud noise.
It was a buzzer defect in the DVT so unrelated to the 67.
Extremely poor day with 0 sets now out.
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According to RTT the train wasn't restarted at Cardiff with a unit. Was nothing available?