Hi, I failed twice during computer assessments with TFW within 8 months. First attempt failed Atavt, second attempt failed Wafv. Currently got an application in with XC...am I right in saying my 2 lives are up even though I've passed all the tests but at different dates?
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TacoTraveller
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If you've failed the tests twice then that's your lives up you get no more as far as I'm aware, doesn't matter if you pass all the other tests.
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Is that two fails and you’re out
fair given you could resit for example a bus or lorry driving test until you pass?
fair given you could resit for example a bus or lorry driving test until you pass?
No its not, its any part of the opc assessments twice and you're out.
Slightly different if there are additional tests involved that some tocs make you take that are classed as enhanced passes but for the base tests, any part of it twice and you are out. That includes the mmi as well
People keep forgetting that the base tests also sometimes are enhanced. Don't want to give anyone false hope , but might be worth checking if you passed to national or not.
Yeah its a bit of a difficult one but you get what I'm trying to say anyway.
Generally you'll be told if you'd passed or failed so if you've failed any of them base tests then you wouldn't have reached national level or they would class it as a pass.
I do absolutely. But I keep seeing it on here that it's extra tests that make psychometrics enhanced. However on my first day some people got sent home for only passing the base tests to standard and we hadn't done the extra tests yet. Also I went for a job somewhere soon after as I had passed everything to enhanced but failed dmi. I went to the first day again but didn't need to do anything , but I met someone there that passed the group bourdon to standard and the company wanted enhanced. Not to mention that I feel for people that are in the op position and I'm praying that it isn't over for them.
Oh yeah I get that but a pass is a pass , it may not be for the company you are applying but there is a national level and you'll be told if you meet that as you could apply elsewhere.
The OP sounds like he's just out and out failed these 2 assessments so I believe that his 2 attempts gone.
If any of them are extra ones that TFW do and others don't then it will be different but im not sure what tests are done by every toc and whats extra now , been years and years since I done them lol
The OP sounds like he's just out and out failed these 2 assessments so I believe that his 2 attempts gone.
If any of them are extra ones that TFW do and others don't then it will be different but im not sure what tests are done by every toc and whats extra now , been years and years since I done them lol
Depends on what the TOC requires. I've known some TOCs to say you've failed of which really you've ended up meeting the national level but failed the enhanced level they require. Some TOCs will mention you've failed yes and that its however met the national standard and others won't and will just say you've failed outright so I'd defo say like baz962 said just double check that it isnt an enhanced level fail.
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Never ever retake a test that you have already passed
If you pass a test and then fail it later then after that moment you have failed it
You are only allowed to fail a test twice before you are not allowed to retake it.
Well, what about being forced to resit a test that you've previously passed due to having passed it more than 3 years ago? Most TOCs these days only accept test results of 3 years or newer.
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Avanti West Coast will not tell you whether you've passed to National. They require Enhanced (and it is a high standard indeed) and if you fail one but pass two of the computer tests, they will simply tell you that you failed, and walk you out of the building. OPC are about as useful as a chocolate fireguard in enquiries as well, afterwards.
OP mentions that he has sat for TFW twice. TFW require only National. A former colleague of mine who sat for Avanti and got as far as the computer tests (passed the hand eye, passed the traffic photos, failed the black square) had to resit all three parts of the computer test (hand eye, photos, black squares) for TFW but crucially, did not have to resit the paper tests or pre-assessment tests.
The issue is, is that the computer tests are all done on one console, in one sitting, consecutively with no official breaks betwene tests or distinctions such; this is one element that makes them harder than they seem.
to answer OPs query, if you failed even one part of this section twice, ie failed the section overall, twice, than it is game over and you cannot try again for a Driver until/if when OPC changes the tests, I'm sorry to say. It's a bleak and horrible moment for any so-called 'railwayman' who sees the railway as more than 'just a job' but it is a heart wrenching reality alas.
I wish you all the best in finding happier pastures elsewhere.
OP mentions that he has sat for TFW twice. TFW require only National. A former colleague of mine who sat for Avanti and got as far as the computer tests (passed the hand eye, passed the traffic photos, failed the black square) had to resit all three parts of the computer test (hand eye, photos, black squares) for TFW but crucially, did not have to resit the paper tests or pre-assessment tests.
The issue is, is that the computer tests are all done on one console, in one sitting, consecutively with no official breaks betwene tests or distinctions such; this is one element that makes them harder than they seem.
to answer OPs query, if you failed even one part of this section twice, ie failed the section overall, twice, than it is game over and you cannot try again for a Driver until/if when OPC changes the tests, I'm sorry to say. It's a bleak and horrible moment for any so-called 'railwayman' who sees the railway as more than 'just a job' but it is a heart wrenching reality alas.
I wish you all the best in finding happier pastures elsewhere.
I’m perplexed. The opc are running the tests for Avanti, the opc give feedback on the day about the computer tests, the candidates are told if passed to national/enhanced so not certain what more is needed?
Depends. Not all the assesment days one is informed on the day that they've failed the enhanced level for x and y toc but passed to national level as I assume they can't on the day keep doing that for all candidates that such situation is met in-between tests.
Would be to email them back for clarification if it's truly sat at OPC testing center. If its in-house sat at a TOC it's quite rare they'd tell you from what I've seen that you've passed or failed to another level that they're not intrested in unless you ask I believe anyway.
The OP stated it was the computer tests, they’d just say you’d failed and Avanti would walk you out. My point is Avanti don’t administer any of the tests, the opc do, you are given the computer results on the day, if pass it’s the interview, if fail you given the feedback before leaving. On the day I as was there, all candidates got computer results on the day, those that failed were told if met nationals/enhanced before leaving.
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It was the computer tests, at Avanti West Coast, conducted at Crewe. Having checked with my said former colleague, they were told whether they'd passed each test individually, so "hand eye...pass. Photos. Pass. Black Squares, unfortunatly not." He is adamant that he was not told whether he had passed to National but had only failed the Enhanced, or whether he had Failed below national standard. As soon as he had received these results, he was escorted out the building and day was over.
He found out that he could contact OPC afterward to try and establish what his passes and fails were, but when he phoned them up, he was fobbed off.
He found out that he could contact OPC afterward to try and establish what his passes and fails were, but when he phoned them up, he was fobbed off.
Sometimes you don't have the choice! I've sat all driver testing twice now as TfW would only take up to 2 years from testing. Would I really not sit again to get the job I want? If you can pass it once you can pass it again.
Similarly, if you can fail it once, you can also fail again.
Just contact the OPC directly. They’ll tell you what you and haven’t passed, and to what standard.
I know a driver that failed to the enhanced standard, but passed to national standard. He was told by the TOC it’s a straight fail, clearly this isn’t the case.
Unfortunately everyone has an opinion, but it’s not always right. Contact the OPC directly and you’ll get the correct answer.
Good luck.
I know a driver that failed to the enhanced standard, but passed to national standard. He was told by the TOC it’s a straight fail, clearly this isn’t the case.
Unfortunately everyone has an opinion, but it’s not always right. Contact the OPC directly and you’ll get the correct answer.
Good luck.
Am I right in thinking if they change any part of the tests you can go again.
I'm not sure if it has to be the same part you failed or any part.
Tfw recently changed the tests on the written section where you read a page then answer questions on it
I'm not sure if it has to be the same part you failed or any part.
Tfw recently changed the tests on the written section where you read a page then answer questions on it
TfW may have changed the tests they require but it is not the same thing as the OPC changing the tests (and therefore resetting fail counts).
Ah OK, makes sense it's done that way.
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