Far-right protests

[Cowley]

They are Christian; it has been widely reported. I will edit this post with a link and quote shortly.

Fact checked: The false far-right claims that sparked the riots

Misinformation is at the source of far-right riots across the country, but although those inaccuracies have been corrected, the demonstrations are still ongoing

www.independent.co.uk

I’ve got a feeling and I’ve thought this all along, that this will turn out to be a mental health breakdown. Mental health services have been hollowed out over the last decade and a half and I wouldn’t be surprised if when the dust settles this starts to become part of the narrative.

 

[King Lazy]

They are Christian; it has been widely reported. I will edit this post with a link and quote shortly.

Fact checked: The false far-right claims that sparked the riots

Misinformation is at the source of far-right riots across the country, but although those inaccuracies have been corrected, the demonstrations are still ongoing

www.independent.co.uk

Thanks for the link.

I just wish that the lack of a connection to Islam had been more clearly made. I still think It has been too vague in many quarters.

If Starmer or Cooper stated what you’ve quoted. That the suspect is Christian then it might stop the anti-Islam rhetoric.

 

[Tetchytyke]

I’ve got a feeling and I’ve thought this all along, that this will turn out to be a mental health breakdown.

I think so too, it appears very similar to the mass stabbing in Nottingham a year or so ago.

And the meltdown when it turns out to be mental health, and so diminished responsibility, will be something else.

The Nottingham killer will likely die in Ashworth, but because Ashworth is technically a hospital it is seen as lenient.

If Starmer or Cooper stated what you’ve quoted. That the suspect is Christian then it might stop the anti-Islam rhetoric.

It wouldn’t.

These people don’t want to let facts get in the way of a good riot.

 

[DarloRich]

the judge should have been asked to reveal the suspect's identity sooner.

How? It was done pretty quickly! You cant just ask a judge randomly. It has to be done as part of the hearing process. In this case the reporting restrictions were lifted at the start of the first hearing.

Mental health services have been hollowed out over the last decade and a half and I wouldn’t be surprised if when the dust settles this starts to become part of the narrative.

Mental health was one of the things seized on by the cranks to try and make some pointless point about something - they were even claiming that the person wasn't really 17! They don't care. It is just an excuse to act up.

That the suspect is Christian then it might stop the anti-Islam rhetoric.

it wont - they very quickly pivoted from Islam to immigrant - it is all just an excuse for stupidity.

The Nottingham killer will likely die in Ashworth, but because Ashworth is technically a hospital it is seen as lenient.

exactly - it is just ignorance ( and in the case of "commentators" wilful) of the system pure and simple.

 

[Tetchytyke]

exactly - it is just ignorance ( and in the case of "commentators" wilful) of the system pure and simple.

Yup.

The people stoking that anger up know fine well that Ashworth, Rampton, and Broadmoor are technically hospitals and anyone incarcerated in them are technically patients. But whilst “locked up in Broadmoor” has a ring to it, people haven’t heard of Ashworth.

 

[Cowley]

If Starmer or Cooper stated what you’ve quoted. That the suspect is Christian then it might stop the anti-Islam rhetoric.

But how could they really do that in the limited time they had before this all blew up? We also need to bear in mind that he’s 17 and there are issues around that.

We have to face facts here and I said this earlier in the thread - The far right have been waiting for an excuse to do what they’ve been doing and to them this was enough. This was building up before what happened in Southport and taking a step back to look at the wider picture, is this not just a basic case of undermining a new (and in their eyes) left wing government in the hopes that people will ‘see the light’ and vote for someone who’s tough on this stuff when it all collapses in on itself?

Enter stage right - Reform and the man of the hour - Nigel (I’m a decent bloke with simple answers to incredibly complex problems) Farage.

 

[GRALISTAIR]

I’ve got a feeling and I’ve thought this all along, that this will turn out to be a mental health breakdown. Mental health services have been hollowed out over the last decade and a half and I wouldn’t be surprised if when the dust settles this starts to become part of the narrative.

I am confident that you will be proved correct.

 

[DarloRich]

technically hospitals and anyone incarcerated in them are technically patients.

Technically hospitals. Actually a maximum security psychiatric hospital with the emphasis on long term secure treatment - if you go there you aint getting out any time soon.

someone who’s tough on this stuff when it all collapses in on itself

the problem with these, erm, populist regimes is that at some point YOU become the enemy, even if you are the most loyal foot soldier. One day you are out burning hotels with immigrants in them and chanting "save our kids" and the next you are the kulak and being shot for being an enemy of the people because your garden is bigger than another garden!

 

[Cowley]

Technically hospitals. Actually a maximum security psychiatric hospital with the emphasis on long term secure treatment - if you go there you aint getting out any time soon.

Very much so. My cousin’s husband used to work in Rampton and having worked in mental health myself in the past, it’s still basically incarceration probably for life even if it is a different version of it.

the problem with these, erm, populist regimes is that at some point YOU become the enemy, even if you are the most loyal foot soldier. One day you are out burning hotels with immigrants in them and chanting "save our kids" and the next you are the kulak and being shot for being an enemy of the people because your garden is bigger than another garden!

It’s certainly not the kind of world I want to live in. Too many flags for my liking!

 

[DarloRich]

another hotel set on fire in a demonstration of "legitimate political concerns" by proud patriots seeking to protect children. Clearly the best way to do that is to try to burn alive some other totally uninvolved children. FFS.

People at the site were throwing missiles, smashing windows, starting fires and targeting police, Staffordshire Police said. One officer was hurt.

Police officer injured after second hotel targeted in Tamworth

Missiles are thrown, windows smashed and fires lit at the Holiday Inn in Tamworth, police say.

www.bbc.co.uk

 

[jon0844]

(Amusing video relating to recent events - contains a little bad language)

 

[brad465]

Tommy Robinson is now calling foul of the Daily Mail for doxxing him, now his hotel in Cyprus has been found.

Now, I'm pretty sure staying in a hotel and being a high profile figure recognised by almost everyone means it wasn't some underhand investigating of where he was - someone almost certainly saw him there.

Funny how he wants the press to be regulated when it affects him. He's never had any issues before.

He and several like-minded folk who think the term "far right" is overused won't be happy with any of the press at the moment. On tomorrow's front pages even The Daily Telegraph and Daily Express, which while not far-right papers are among the more right wing outlets in the UK, both have that specific term on their front pages in a way that they chose to use it.

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By the way, what are the laws around extradition to the UK these days? I believe the UK is no longer part of the European Arrest Warrant group, but is there another way in theory someone like Tommy Robinson could be arrested abroad and extradited if he doesn't return on his own accord?

 

[najaB]

(Amusing video relating to recent events - contains a little bad language)

That is simply amazing!

 

[JamesT]

By the way, what are the laws around extradition to the UK these days? I believe the UK is no longer part of the European Arrest Warrant group, but is there another way in theory someone like Tommy Robinson could be arrested abroad and extradited if he doesn't return on his own accord?

https://www.gov.uk/government/publi...nd-extradition-treaty-list-accessible-version Lists the countries we have treaties with regarding extradition. Although no longer part of the EAW, the Brexit treaty put in a replacement agreement for extradition with EU countries.

 

[bahnause]

I made some interesting observations today.

• Looting a lush store. Why, these people don't look like they'd ever wash?
• Police dogs seem to enjoy the odd piece of gone off gammon. They might need a rabies shot now (the dogs I mean).
• No book shop has bee looted so far. I assume reading isn't their forté.
• Racists look very different depending on them being in a pack of their own or being dragged into a police car.
• Someone mentioned remigration. Does that mean the thugs will be flushing themselves down the toilet back to where they came from?
• Tommy R. seems to like to pose on social media, but somehow doesn't like his holiday pictures of the hotel he stays in to be leaked. Something about endangering his family. We all know, that he likes to beat up his wife himself, he doesn't want help. Please feel free to enjoy the irony of a man in a foreign country being scared for his famlily in case anyone thuggish comes for them.
• Nigel Farage is usually engaged with Twitter multiple times on a daily basis. Yet he hasn’t written a post since the morning of Friday 2nd August. During the 2011 riots he said ‘troops’ should be called in to restore order.
• Some of these racist imbeciles are shouting 'my grandad fought in the war', without any hint of irony. There might be a connection with point three, not looting bookshops.
• Le Monde has nailed it: "Racist riots in GB". Why can't the BBC bring itself to explain?
• A question for Robinson, Farage, Tice: If they think the rioters have legitimate reasons, why don’t they join them on the streets? And to those on the streets, why do they think they’re not joining them?
• Somehow throwing rocks at filipino NHS nurses on the way to work seems to be a solution for the lack of hospital staff. Can someone enlighten me, how this is supposed to work?
• Susie Dents word of the day is to ‘constult’ (17th century): to act stupidly together. Works for me.

 

[jon0844]

He and several like-minded folk who think the term "far right" is overused won't be happy with any of the press at the moment. On tomorrow's front pages even The Daily Telegraph and Daily Express, which while not far-right papers are among the more right wing outlets in the UK, both have that specific term on their front pages in a way that they chose to use it.

Tomorrow's Papers Today - UK Front Pages - Latest Newspaper Headlines

All of UK's Tomorrow's Front Pages ✅ Updated Daily between 7PM - 11pm ✅ The Mail, Express, Times, Guardian and many more Proudly supporting #buyapaper

www.tomorrowspapers.co.uk

By the way, what are the laws around extradition to the UK these days? I believe the UK is no longer part of the European Arrest Warrant group, but is there another way in theory someone like Tommy Robinson could be arrested abroad and extradited if he doesn't return on his own accord?

Did the Daily Star editorial team spend the weekend in a cave?


Daily Star front page, August 5th 2024 - not mentioning rioting at all.

 

[xtmw]

Sad to say this is the country I live in.

These racist, islamophobic attacks need to be stopped.

The media aren't doing a good job on reporting this either.

Did the Daily Star editorial team spend the weekend in a cave?

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Daily Star front page, August 5th 2024 - not mentioning rioting at all.

Yeah because the bees & wasps disappearing are the most important thing going on now..

 

[jon0844]

Yeah because the bees & wasps disappearing are the most important thing going on now..

Can't blame the bees and wasps for wanting to get the hell out of here. Maybe the story is related...

 

[Busaholic]

I made some interesting observations today.

• No book shop has bee looted so far

During the 2011 riots in London every store on Battersea Rise was looted, bar the bookshop.

 

[GusB]

I just want to see a clearly worded refute of the conspiracies by someone high up as I feel our leaders are not helping dispel fake news and misinformation.

I was being sarcastic, the judge should have been asked to reveal the suspect's identity sooner.

Why? There are rules around revealing the identity of a suspect, especially when they're technically a minor. The judge in this case felt that it was in the public interest that it was revealed because the suspect was close to being 18.

What if the culprit had been 13? Would you still be crying out for their identity to be revealed? Let's not forget that by revealing the identity of the suspect, you're also revealing the details of their family and potentially exposing them to harm through not fault of their own.

In any case, would it have made any difference? The nutcases who are promoting the disinformation aren't going to care about the actual facts; they've already made their minds up. Any attempt at getting the actual truth out is going to be met with cries of conspiracy.

I’ve got a feeling and I’ve thought this all along, that this will turn out to be a mental health breakdown. Mental health services have been hollowed out over the last decade and a half and I wouldn’t be surprised if when the dust settles this starts to become part of the narrative.

This. Mental health support has been on the decline for years - far longer than the decade and a half that you've mentioned. As a former carer for someone who had bipolar disorder, I found it increasingly difficult to obtain help when it was needed.

I have to say that I'm quite disappointed with some of the responses in this thread. I also come from a white working-class background and in no way do I feel that I'm left behind because of that. It's difficult for working class people from all backgrounds to climb the ladder, but it has absolutely nothing to do with colour or ethnic background.

 

[jon0844]

There are now accounts on X saying the photos and videos posted of looting and setting fires are fake...

Will we soon be made to believe there were no riots?

 

[Busaholic]

Tommy Robinson is now calling foul of the Daily Mail for doxxing him, now his hotel in Cyprus has been found.

Now, I'm pretty sure staying in a hotel and being a high profile figure recognised by almost everyone means it wasn't some underhand investigating of where he was - someone almost certainly saw him there.

Funny how he wants the press to be regulated when it affects him. He's never had any issues before.

I admit to finding this incredible, but I believe the official position on Yaxley-Lennon is that he is on unconditional bail and so long as he makes his next scheduled court appearance in London in early October then no warrant for his arrest will be issued. His court appearance is on a charge of Contempt of Court relating to the re-showing of a video publically at the mass rally he organised in London nine days ago. He apparently has an Irish passport, which he is presumably using in his EU travels.

 

[Bantamzen]

Why? There are rules around revealing the identity of a suspect, especially when they're technically a minor. The judge in this case felt that it was in the public interest that it was revealed because the suspect was close to being 18.

Why? Because of what we've seen. Because social media moves, literally in many cases, at the speed of light. This started because rumours about the attacker being a Muslim extremist fresh off a boat. Getting the ruling out sooner might have at least calmed things a little.

What if the culprit had been 13? Would you still be crying out for their identity to be revealed? Let's not forget that by revealing the identity of the suspect, you're also revealing the details of their family and potentially exposing them to harm through not fault of their own.

Frankly so what if he was 13? He'd stabbed and killed multiple young children. Quite honestly when crimes are as bad as this, I say the anonymity should not apply or at least an early judgement be made on it. This was a pre-meditated attack on innocent young kids, he deserves nothing but being brought to justice as an adult and face all the consequences as such. This may come as a surprise to you, but there are violent young kids out there that think they are untouchable in part because even in the worst case scenarios they know the law works almost as hard to protect their identities as it does bringing them to justice.

In any case, would it have made any difference? The nutcases who are promoting the disinformation aren't going to care about the actual facts; they've already made their minds up. Any attempt at getting the actual truth out is going to be met with cries of conspiracy.

The disinformation spread because nothing was coming out officially, so yeah it may well have quelled some of the anger before things kicked off.

This. Mental health support has been on the decline for years - far longer than the decade and a half that you've mentioned. As a former carer for someone who had bipolar disorder, I found it increasingly difficult to obtain help when it was needed.

I have to say that I'm quite disappointed with some of the responses in this thread. I also come from a white working-class background and in no way do I feel that I'm left behind because of that. It's difficult for working class people from all backgrounds to climb the ladder, but it has absolutely nothing to do with colour or ethnic background.

Let's be clear here, there are many people who do. Just because members here don't feel that way doesn't mean it isn't a real issue for others. Maybe it is time to accept that there are serious disparities in our society that need addressing, rather than just dismissing them as unimportant or non-existent. Because that is exactly what successive governments have done time and again, and is exactly why people like those out on the streets are so disenfranchised from normal society.

 

[birchesgreen]

I made some interesting observations today.

Looting a lush store. Why, these people don't look like they'd ever wash?

Probably getting some gifts to say sorry to their spouses for next time they batter them, which is probably most days.

 

[nw1]

I don't think Farage bears any responsibility for triggering the riot, however he is the leader of Reform and many of their members are definitely involved. So he does bear some responsibility for not trying to settle things down once it all started kicking off.

He didn't trigger the riots, however it certainly didn't help that, as a very public figure, he seemed to be at one point insinuating that the "truth is being withheld". So he has responsibility for that comment and any consequences from it, certainly.

 

[SuspectUsual]

Because social media moves, literally in many cases, at the speed of light. This started because rumours about the attacker being a Muslim extremist fresh off a boat. Getting the ruling out sooner might have at least calmed things a little

The disinformation spread because nothing was coming out officially, so yeah it may well have quelled some of the anger before things kicked off

These people believe what they want to believe, which is what fits their incredibly narrow world view. Mere facts aren't going to change that

 

[nw1]

By the way, what are the laws around extradition to the UK these days? I believe the UK is no longer part of the European Arrest Warrant group, but is there another way in theory someone like Tommy Robinson could be arrested abroad and extradited if he doesn't return on his own accord?

I thought extradition was much more international than that, so that a person wanted in the UK could be arrested and extradited in, say, Brazil.

 

[SuspectUsual]

I thought extradition was much more international than that, so that a person wanted in the UK could be arrested and extradited in, say, Brazil.

There are a number of bilateral treaties relating to extradition as well

 

[jon0844]

These people believe what they want to believe, which is what fits their incredibly narrow world view. Mere facts aren't going to change that

Plus, we had been told he was born in the UK. They didn't need to name him or reveal his ethnicity to satisfy the cravings of neanderthals who would believe whatever they wanted anyway.

He didn't trigger the riots, however it certainly didn't help that, as a very public figure, he seemed to be at one point insinuating that the "truth is being withheld". So he has responsibility for that comment and any consequences from it, certainly.

His 'just asking questions' tactics are just a get out of jail card used by the likes of Tucker Carlson to raise blood pressures through insinuating things but not actually saying anything you can pin on them.

The mafia reference earlier is quite apt.

 

[cjmillsnun]

IMO it is wrong to give these events legitimacy by calling them protests. They are just acts of violence and thuggery with some racism and Islamophobia thrown into the mix.
The instigators need to feel the full force of the law.

It’s terrorism. Let’s give it its proper name. It’s domestic terrorism.