The far right stuff will go away, for sure. Big Venn diagram crossover between football hooligans and the Take Are Country Back crowd. 1000 of the worst offenders will be in jail.
(Those are not EFL clubs!)
Sorry my bad - English Football League?
#TwoTierKeir?
Give they clearly don't believe reality, I'm really not sure saying or doing anything is going to change their minds now. There's still people claiming the Southport murderer was an immigrant. There's still people claiming Muslims had stabbed someone up in Scotland when the police very quickly confirmed that it wasn't. There's still people claiming that the rioters in Leeds and the guy involved in the Manchester airport thing weren't arrested or aren't having any consequences to their actions. When a group of people are so willing to believe misinformation and lies, you can't do or say anything to make them see reality.
Indeed, those are Premier League clubs! The EFL is tier 2 to tier 4, accounting for the majority of matchgoing fans, and that kicks off this weekend. The Premier League starts the week after.
Won't a lot be spending their sentence "on remand" mainly inside police stations, so when they are convicted if they get two months, they've done the bulk of it so can be released (obvs as criminals affecting job applications, foreign travel etc)? Or are they kept in proper prisons on remand? Note - two months is nothing like enough!
No, but as there appears to be videos* circulating on social media of these events it may be prudent for the government to issue an equal warning to those looking to retaliate.
This is such a simplistic outlook I don't know where to start. All I know is that the echoes of 2001 are loud right now.
I'm sorry this but is another simplistic view. Listening to, and understand the perceptions is vital to try and solve the reasons that people ultimately come to them. There are deep, and dangerous issues lurking in all corners of our society and these riots were them surfacing. Younger generations in many areas are growing up with a deep resentment of society in general, and with literally no fear of the law. If society ignores this we invite the more extreme and violent people in society, from all spectrums, to indoctrinate them even deeper into the murky recesses of the far edges of political views. They will then be the ones that react to triggers on social media, regardless of their validity.
Well it's on and trending right now, with increasing views of what appear to the retaliations to the right wing actions.
Well giving up trying isn't an option. It really isn't. Anger is growing on all sides right now.
As I said, I can't access the search facility of "X" without logging in. And I don't especially want to log in, particularly in the light of Musk's latest nonsense.
It will prove interesting whether all clubs follow a similar pitch on who they welcome in their terraces?2001, what aspect? 9/11?
That's up to you, but it's there.
Again who is condoning anything? Pointing out the reality of the situation doesn't mean I'm condoning it.
It's not the right wing groups that need listening to...
The 2001 Bradford riots. I mentioned that I lived right in the epicentre of them if you'd have read my comments properly.
Can you summarise what #TwoTierKeir is all about for those of us who do not wish to login to X?
Yes, quite a lot of people have done. However, there is clearly frustration that this is getting nowhere. (and there are always going to be hangers on intent of creating opportunistic mischief)
Not sure how this is going to help at all in reducing immigration?
Realistic to whom? To the people advocating the quantity of immigration that is currently happening, and more? or an alternative reality?
When the immigration advocates start considering holding an adult conversation (rather than just shouting others down, and calling everyone racists), perhaps the country will get somewhere with it? Being too open contributed towards the Brexit vote.
And why shouldn't it be 'OK' to have such views? They are nothing new, going back to the time of Rt. Hon. Enoch Powell.
Quite possibly you are right. But then is white immigration to third-world and Muslim countries welcomed with open arms, apart from in some strictly controlled way with no hope of citizenship rights?
I agree with you (and I make myself clear on this), but I am unsure how any change is going to be achieved by non-violent methods? There are plenty of examples where the other methods have achieved their aims in some way or another.
Even listening to what these #TwoTierKeir people are presumably saying, if my imagination is anything like correct.
Ah ok sorry I missed that.
Its OK to have such views as long as you don't act upon them. But I think we're now in a situation where the most visceral and militant variants of anti-immigration sentiment have been given credence by senior politicians, and thus, that small proportion of people with such views and thuggish personalities are more liable to let rip when provoked by nonsense on social media.
As I said, the government has capitulated to the anti-immigrationists again, and again, and again over the past 10 years. My question is: given the government have clearly taken a strongly anti-immgrationist line recently, why are people still not happy about it? We've had Brexit, we've had further tough anti-immigration legislation from the Sunak government, which is causing genuine difficulties for would-be immigrants - and still people aren't happy?
What does this have to do with whether the government should listen to an actual hate group?
But that can't be right. By the same token, those with pro-immigration views, and multi-cultural views, can have them but can't act upon them either? Or any other view one may have? Nonsense.
If it wasn't causing 'genuine difficulties' for would-be immigrants, then it wouldn't be working at all! Has this strong anti-immigration line resulted in discernably less immigration, or merely reduced the increase? I should imagine people aren't going to be happy until they see it is reducing (however difficult that may be).
because if they don't listen, they will get bitten eventually.
By "act upon", here, I meant riot or otherwise indulge in violent protest.
See response to @DustyBin above.
What "choice wording"?
Sorry you had to deal with that on your doorstep, must be horrible. Fingers crossed it calms down today
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To be honest I'm not exactly sure what Phillips' means specifically, but she's totally right on misinformation.Jess Phillips tweeted the following which to me doesn't feel like a condemnation, more of a mitigation:
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Regardless of who commits these idiotic actions whether far left, far right or whatever todays description of them is, condemn them all equally and unequivocally
ANPR This Bike Guy is going to be in deep doo doo then! Him and the rest of the masked gang didn't think it through when appearing on Sky News!Could you provide an example of this "choice wording"?
The Lord Chancellor/ Secretary of State for Justice has said on social media:
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That seems quite direct to me!
