gordonthemoron
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I quite like standard on the GWR IEPs, however I walked through 1st to get to the kitchen and it was awful
Old news done to death. Old rolling stock = lovely, comfort, sophisticated etc. New stock = backward, uncomfortable, crap.
Next.
It got worse since capital connect is my point. I’d wouldn’t enjoy those seats in standard let alone first. The mersyrail standard is as good as the thameslink first.View attachment 50732
I quite like standard on the GWR IEPs, however I walked through 1st to get to the kitchen and it was awful
The seats are ‘ergonomically designed’ which is just a fancy way of saying their ironing boards.I think the Standard "fake wood" is nicer, but the seats are rubbish and that green stripe gives it all the ambiance of a 1990s bus. All in all a civil servant specified interior.
The seats are ‘ergonomically designed’ which is just a fancy way of saying their ironing boards.
When thameslink was take over by govia didn’t know how this could get any worse:
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But govia found a way:
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You don't need leather seats to make a high quality interior.An issue is they're not allowed to put leather seats in more modern rolling stock because of newer fire regulations.
An issue is they're not allowed to put leather seats in more modern rolling stock because of newer fire regulations.
Dislike leather seats , on LNER/VTEC they changed to leather , you slip and slide .You don't need leather seats to make a high quality interior.
I didn't say that. However in this case, a big downside to the first class downgrade is because of the seats.You don't need leather seats to make a high quality interior.
You don't need leather seats to make a high quality interior.
and you do not need leather to make seats comfortable. Fire regs is a red herring. The cheapest seat possible has been chosen -simpleYou don't need leather seats to make a high quality interior.
With respect, have you ever actually been in First on the 700s? Plug sockets, and the seats are much better than standard. It's a commuter train, not a Pullman.When thameslink was take over by govia didn’t know how this could get any worse:
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But govia found a way:
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the new TPE units and LHCS will have leather in 1st.
With respect, have you ever actually been in First on the 700s? Plug sockets, and the seats are much better than standard. It's a commuter train, not a Pullman.
It seems you are only here for a moan against privatisation - and you're using a DfT specced train to do it.
As has been said above I think the dumbing down of first class is a way to slowly erode the need for it and when the numbers deminish then turn it into standard.
The railways are busy and there is a finite amount of paths capacity increases and new lines cost money improving the capacity of trains doesn't.
If you want to moan about first class, I've never much of a difference between a cross country voyager seat in standard and first class.
Even better - GTR's 387s. 1st class and standard class seats are exactly the same. And ironing boards as well to add insult to injury.
The reason for first class is to raise a lot of extra revenue for the TOC.To be honest, at this point there is no reason to have first class. Trains are getting fuller and fuller and there aren't enough seats for the extra passengers. Having the extra standard class seats would definitely help out. For example, on my train back from Exeter to London, the first class area was nearly empty. There were about 8 people in it. Standard class on the other hand was full and standing. Those extra seats would have been so useful then. And also, if Britain's government wants equality and all that, why do we have it anyway?
I'm pretty sure the XC Voyagers have the same seats.Even better - GTR's 387s. 1st class and standard class seats are exactly the same. And ironing boards as well to add insiult to injury.
I'm pretty sure the XC Voyagers have the same seats.
I totally agree. When the Cornish routes go over to the IET stock, I for one will be driving to Penzance in comfort rather than paying the thick end of £150 each way to sit on a glorified office chair!and you do not need leather to make seats comfortable. Fire regs is a red herring. The cheapest seat possible has been chosen -simple
What i don`t understand is cars get more and more comfortable and trains go the opposite direction. What motivation is there to get me to leave my jag in the station car park and sit on a park bench and often pay a large sum of money for the privilege ?
The only way these dreadful seats will get changed is if passengers go on strike