First Greater Glasgow

Discussion in 'Buses & Coaches' started by KGGXXXY, 14 May 2018.

  1. Jordan Adam

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    Considering the amount of troubles operators are having with B5TLs it would be stupid for First to go for them now. Voith E400s are just far too slow, with many drivers disliking them because of that. On the other hand the ZF Ecolife examples are much faster, and in my view the best 2 axle decker on the market.

    By the time LEZ comes in those B7RLEs will be 16 years old. To me it makes far more logical sense to move them out of Glasgow rather than refit them, although i agree that a better effort should have been made to at least retrim and deep clean them.

    Aberdeen's Platinum vehicles are now all between 10 and 11 years old, but internally and mechanically they're closer to a 4/5 year old bus, while the specification of them is nothing special compared to now. Platinum did what it set out to do and the vehicles are still internally and mechanically superb. Even now that we've just passed 5 years since the Geminis were refurbished i don't think they'll need an internal refurb for quite some time yet, clearly the quality of eLeather used on them was much better than that of vehicles out the factory!
     
  2. Realistic_Spy

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    i was thinking first were going to put the 12 e200mmc's on the 90. i might be wrong
     
  3. Realistic_Spy

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    Saw the new 34/34A e200mmc at the hospital today. it looks nice in the green livery

    this photo is from the FiG twitter, i didn't take a pic of the bus because my phone doesn't work
     
  4. Gingerbus1991

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    As it is at the moment I really, REALLY don‘t understand why there is still B7L and B10BLEs running around glasgow and Ive to believe that many of the 12 year old eclipse urbans should be limited by there age, if it werent for the LEZ, FiG would've done the usual thing that has left Glaswegians with a bad taste in there mouth for litterally coming up on 2 decades, provide old buses for far too long, if those B7RLEs were heavily invested in they could live until 20 yrs old, with some tlc anyways.

    Instead of the 34 getting new buses, why not new ones for the 2 etc, then refurb and cascade the then heavily refurbished Enviro 300s to the 34?
    This would been a far simpler job whilst being able to put Euro6 buses on the 2’s which tdo go into the Zone.

    I said before and Id say it again FiGs latest purchases are certainly an improvement from the stuff there replacing but certainly are nothing special aside from USB charging ports, aside from other extras that wouldve been nice as well, next stop announcment, extra glazing on the roof, wood effect flooring etc etc

    Anyways, the purchasing thats being made for the likes of the 241 etc couldve obviously had the B7RLEs facelifted and heavily refurbed and would never had to go near the LEZ zone, meaning that refurb wouldve cost £15000 less, obviously because a new emission system wouldnt have been needed.

    I dont know if there would be any success in the 34s traveling the clyde tunnel to the Uni of Glasgow, I simply can’t stand FiGs decisions or most of Firsts decisions anyways, They reek of cheapness, incompletion and while many think mr Jarvis is doing a good job its simple case of an english man doing a half-done job in glasgow.
     
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  5. Jordan Adam

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    In all fairness the B10BLEs are not too old, most have only just hit 17 years old and they'll be gone soon, buses are designed to have a 15-20 year life span. As i've made clear before, in my view age is irrelevant, it's all about the quality of the vehicles and the B10BLEs are top quality motors, they just needed a refresh and better seats. Although from what i believe and have heard my local B10BLEs are in much better overall condition to that of Glasgows.

    Regarding fleet age if you want to moan at anyone direct it at Stagecoach North Scotland who still had a 22 year old B10M along with some other similar aged vehicles in service until recently and still have a 20 year old S reg in service, these significantly outdated anything in service with Glasgow. That said i better take that back as the S reg is in better nick than most of the much younger buses in the fleet :lol:. I believe they still have some P/R reg vehicles in use around Cumbria too.

    Investment is investment and First are clearly putting quite a significant amount of cash in to it. Albeit in order to catch up with a lack of investment in recent years. It would have made more sense to go with the same style of interiors on the refurbished Geminis which have proved popular, but perhaps given the size of the Glasgow operation they're wanting to keep stuff as standard as possible. I'm not qualified enough on the Glasgow network to comment on the 34 so i won't reply.

    With regard to the last part of your comment, i think most of us on here already are aware you're dissatisfaction with First regardless of what they do. But we'll leave it at that.
     
  6. Gingerbus1991

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    I have always saved this in my favorites as it describes perfectly why FiGs ridership has plummeted, it shows by way of others telling the story why not only my own opinion but the opinion of many other Glaswegians do not like FirstBus.

    names aside, many Glasgow residents are aware of how much better Edinburgh has it despite Glasgow being scotlands largest city.

    Its only the minority in Glasgow who believe first are doing a decent enough job.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/glasgow/comments/2ijzh1/i_am_absolutely_sick_of_first_bus/
     
  7. Colin M

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    I've always thought of First Bus as a company that's ran by people who haven't got a clue what they are actually doing. I've watched my local route in Glasgow going from being every 8-9 minutes with reasonably new vehicles to every 20 minutes (apparantly) with vehicles that are now 10-15 years old. You'd have thought that after they lost the ScotRail franchise that they'd try and claw back the passengers from the trains but they seem to have made no attempt whatsoever and instead have continued to alienate customers buy cutting routes and pushing fares up regularly.

    Personally, for me, I think that First are now most likely in a state that they can't recover from and it's only a matter of time before someone high up at the company is going to have to admit they've made a complete hash of it.
     
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    So you’ve always saved a FOUR year old bit of general complaining to your favourites. I don’t think anything else need be said :rolleyes:
     
  9. Gingerbus1991

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    Amongst others.
     
  10. TheGrandWazoo

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    What others? You saved other anti-First Glasgow stuff into your favourites??? o_O
     
  11. lastbus

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    The 34 buses look smart in the green. Does anyone know what the pink e200s at Blantyre depot are for?
     
  12. JumpinTrainz

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    Taking the whole recession and difficult economic climate into account I have to agree - First seem to have ruined their trust in the general public.

    Glasgow is a thriving city and the largest in Scotland yet as an operator I feel they’ve let us all down with high fares and a very poor fleet.

    I do have to give Mr Jarvis credit in all this, though. For the first time in many years I would say FiG is heading in the right direction. Buses being refurbished is very unusual for First. They normally run their buses to the ground until they have nothing left to give then send them to the scrappy. So that’s a definite improvement. There’s no ignoring the investment we’ve had in the past year and the further buses which are due for 2019.

    I’ve said it before but First ruined it for me about 10 years ago when they introduced this surge of unrefurbished Tridents from London which had been battered down there and arrived on some of our busiest routes in disgusting conditions and ruined them. Routes like the 60, 61, 41, 38 have never recovered from older buses when these routes received never buses at one time. It’s nice to see routes like the 18 receive new buses as it was long overdue.

    On the whole I’m glad to see massive improvements and I hope they continue to stay on the ball because there has been a lot of trust lost in First and I can see exactly why.
     
  13. alangla

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    I’d argue against the 41 - route branded H reg London Dominators?
    The 60 (in its previous incarnation as the 40) was the first home of the Toiletboxes IIRC, the 38 was new R plate Darts at some crazy 12+ BPH frequency, then X plate Scanias and the 61 was the first low floor route of the lot, all IIRC
     
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    The bus in question is on the 2 but it looks like it’s the same colours as the 65 buses
     
  15. route101

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    Pink E200s are on the two .Are they all in service though ?
     
  16. route101

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    60 still gets toiletboxes !
    Remember the 38 using Darts . 38 was always in my eye the most frequent route in Glasgow .
     
  17. route101

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    Are the e400 cities , suited for motorway work?
     
  18. route101

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    The 38e and 38b still run through the city so deckers will be needed .
     
  19. lastbus

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    Are they route branded?
     
  20. christopherrfc

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    The bus i seen wasnt route branding just had the colour at the front of the bus
     
  21. route101

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    At first i thought it was buses for the 9. Only 4 of them so would not be enough. Maybe they are on the 2 as other caley E200mmcs are on that route.
     
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    I don’t imagine they’ll be for the 2. Probably just being placed on there just now before being moved elsewhere I’d think. I doubt the 2 will be branded because a lot of the E300s on the 2 can be shared with the 3 Fromm Scotstoun so that would probably end up messy. I’ve noticed a lot of B7RLEs on the 2 as of recent branded for the 9. Also a lot of the ex-Manchester B7RLEs on the 60 too. The 2 would always welcome new buses but seems a bit random perhaps.
     
  24. route101

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    B10BLES back out on the 31 on a Saturday , least 2.
     
  25. JumpinTrainz

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    With the introduction of new buses to the 75, 18, 65, 241 and 34/34A have any buses started to be withdrawn now or has it allowed more B9TLs to be sent for refurbishment?
     
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    The B7TL's that were on the 18 have started to go to Caledonia for the ex Parkhead routes. 31787 was on the 60A this afternoon.
     
  27. JumpinTrainz

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    It annoys me how ex Parkhead routes always get the oldest deckers. The 53 plates are horrid inside. We need more refurbished B9TLs not old B7TLs!!

    The 60/60A appears to be getting a lot of old stock on it as of recent. More toilet boxes, B7RLEs and older B7TLs but mainly singles. Not sure why this is. Let’s hope the rumours are true and the route gets an upgrade.
     
  28. 90sWereBetter

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    A couple of B7Ls have apparently been dispatched to a scrapyard this week. 61634, 61649 and 61650 are the victims.
     
  29. route101

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    Yeah , the older geminis are great buses but let down by there seats . Was on a 54 plate on 57 yesterday and a lot of seats were stained .B7RLES id say too

    I thought the geminis and tridents at caley were on a common pool across the depot . Yeah noticed on 60 , 61 and 41 .
     
  30. lastbus

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    Not totally first related but coakley are to cease to operate service 107/109 in January. This was the result of a public inquiry. They are only allowed to do hires. I wonder if first will look to go onto this route.
     

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