First Greater Glasgow

[Metal Mickey]

Thats happening


Makes it easier to palm off Dumbarton to McGills. The Dumbarton local stuff kept separate from the lucrative 1/1A and the 1C/11 being run from Scotstoun palm that off as a quick sale to McGills, wise move and likely the reason behind it to try and get a sale of Dumbarton

Where have you heard this?

 

[ScotRail158725]

Where have you heard this?

I haven’t, it’s speculation but from a business point of view from First it would make complete sense. Keep the profitable stuff and sell the drain on resources that Dumbarton is

 

[Metal Mickey]

I haven’t, it’s speculation but from a business point of view from First it would make complete sense. Keep the profitable stuff and sell the drain on resources that Dumbarton is

How do you know that Dumbarton is a drain on the resources?

 

[JumpinTrainz]

It’s totally plausible, however I imagine they may also be looking at the ageing E300s which are turning 13 this year and what may be replacing them. It’s about an hour from Glasgow-Dumbarton which would make for easier operating of electric buses.

Splitting the route may also help with reliability. They should do that with the 6 which is ridiculously long.

 

[LT02 NVV]

Is 64108 back in service or is that a tracking error?

It’s back! Just saw it in the new livery on the 34 (while I was on 69386).

 

[JumpinTrainz]

It’s back! Just saw it in the new livery on the 34 (while I was on 69386).

I’m not so sure the E200EV model suits the new livery as much. Everything else I’ve seen looks much better. Maybe it’ll grow on me.

 

[VioletEclipse]

It’s back! Just saw it in the new livery on the 34 (while I was on 69386).

it's by no means a perfect livery, but I think it does to some extent look smart and I think it looks bettern than previous First liveries. Also windering if the bus in this photo is supposed to have fleetnames and/or branding of some kind or if its intentionally void of it.

 

[LT02 NVV]

it's by no means a perfect livery, but I think it does to some extent look smart and I think it looks bettern than previous First liveries. Also wondering if the bus in this photo is supposed to have fleetnames and/or branding of some kind or if its intentionally void of it.

I think it might be because First are in the transition of changing their logo right now.

 

[ScotRail158725]

it's by no means a perfect livery, but I think it does to some extent look smart and I think it looks bettern than previous First liveries. Also windering if the bus in this photo is supposed to have fleetnames and/or branding of some kind or if its intentionally void of it.

A lot of the repaints have no branding some are just in the base livery

 

[Noddy1]

A lot of the repaints have no branding some are just in the base livery

Are a lot of the 200EVs back as I noticed several when I was in Glasgow yesterday.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Are a lot of the 200EVs back as I noticed several when I was in Glasgow yesterday.

Not all of the E200EVs were taken out of service. The affected batch seem to be the LC71 batch with the exception of some which are still in service. As discussed above 64108 has recently returned after almost a year out of service.

 

[camro]

Only around 10 or so 200EVs are still out of action by the looks of things. The rest are either actively tracking or have tracked recently enough. Which mean First now likely have a surplus of loans that are probably going away sooner or later.

My guess is it'll be the E400 and the Streetdeck Repower first, followed by Blantyre's Streetlites, once they get their local stuff back. But the Eclipses... Bradford withdrew theirs before handing them out to us so what happens next? Will Bradford go back to using them for a bit? Or will Glasgow just keep them on till they run out of MOT?

 

[AndrewTaylor95]

Only around 10 or so 200EVs are still out of action by the looks of things. The rest are either actively tracking or have tracked recently enough. Which mean First now likely have a surplus of loans that are probably going away sooner or later.

My guess is it'll be the E400 and the Streetdeck Repower first, followed by Blantyre's Streetlites, once they get their local stuff back. But the Eclipses... Bradford withdrew theirs before handing them out to us so what happens next? Will Bradford go back to using them for a bit? Or will Glasgow just keep them on till they run out of MOT?

They'll be here a while yet each E200EV in Caley will be checked is my understanding, They're all on First Glasgow legals now so that's also telling, Not all the Eclipses are from Bradford, Overtown have 3 from Huddersfield and there's 2 in Caley from Slough that came up just last month and all have had vaults fitted. There's no surplus of vehicles either every one that's came up is needed, hence why there's loans in 2 other depots, shortage on vehicles is the reason as well as some of the E200EVs being off the road

 

[Blindtraveler]

And given the range of reported faults and issues with the electric e200, I struggle to believe that they've all been fully fixed during their fairly short time off the road. So presumably Glasgow are playing the cautious card and keeping spare around anyway for the perhaps inevitable moment when the water starts leaking or another roof starts to sag under the weight of the batteries

 

[camro]

And given the range of reported faults and issues with the electric e200, I struggle to believe that they've all been fully fixed during their fairly short time off the road. So presumably Glasgow are playing the cautious card and keeping spare around anyway for the perhaps inevitable moment when the water starts leaking or another roof starts to sag under the weight of the batteries

There's the fact that there's other batches too, also built in Falkirk, recieved during 22 reg and 72 reg. Another year and they'd be experiencing the same issues surely.

 

[Noddy1]

There's the fact that there's other batches too, also built in Falkirk, recieved during 22 reg and 72 reg. Another year and they'd be experiencing the same issues surely.

Why on earth did ADL decide to design. a bus with heavy batteries on the roof. Basic science/engineering should have told them that this would lead to problems. It's going to do ADL great harm now and in the future as it will take operators a long time to hsve confidence in their products again. Also nit Chinese buses like Yutong are cheaper and more reliable why would they buy from ADL?

 

[camro]

Why on earth did ADL decide to design. a bus with heavy batteries on the roof. Basic science/engineering should have told them that this would lead to problems. It's going to do ADL great harm now and in the future as it will take operators a long time to hsve confidence in their products again. Also nit Chinese buses like Yutong are cheaper and more reliable why would they buy from ADL?

Remember these orders were nearly 4 years ago. First Glasgow ordered solely ADL from 2015 until this year with the new Streedecks due to go into service. Yutong weren't as considerable in 2021. It wasn't until 2023 that Aberdeen got theirs.

It seems that Wrightbus may be of interest again though.

 

[NIT100]

Why on earth did ADL decide to design. a bus with heavy batteries on the roof. Basic science/engineering should have told them that this would lead to problems. It's going to do ADL great harm now and in the future as it will take operators a long time to hsve confidence in their products again. Also nit Chinese buses like Yutong are cheaper and more reliable why would they buy from ADL?

Most single decks have batteries on the roof, including Yutongs

 

[NorthClyde320]

Heard service 1c will swop from dumbarton depot to scotstown, so will probibly get deckers back on the 1c route

Is service 1 and all it's variants solely run from Dumbarton depot or does Scotstoun cover anything? The reason I ask is that all of the 1 group of services are registered on the No 2 licence and wasn't sure if that meant they were solely Dumbarton operated.

Also what depots will the the revised 1 group of services be operated from when they change in March? I'm assuming the new 11 will be operated from Scotstoun and this is just my thoughts but I would have renumbered the 1C as X42 and the 1E as X1 or 1X

 

[LT02 NVV]

Only around 10 or so 200EVs are still out of action by the looks of things. The rest are either actively tracking or have tracked recently enough. Which mean First now likely have a surplus of loans that are probably going away sooner or later.

My guess is it'll be the E400 and the Streetdeck Repower first, followed by Blantyre's Streetlites, once they get their local stuff back. But the Eclipses... Bradford withdrew theirs before handing them out to us so what happens next? Will Bradford go back to using them for a bit? Or will Glasgow just keep them on till they run out of MOT?

There is the possible chance they could replace some of the other trainer Eclipses. Like 69271 and 69272 would make good replacements for 69152 and 69230, which would mean that all the trainer buses are 07+ plates.

Is service 1 and all it's variants solely run from Dumbarton depot or does Scotstoun cover anything? The reason I ask is that all of the 1 group of services are registered on the No 2 licence and wasn't sure if that meant they were solely Dumbarton operated.

Also what depots will the the revised 1 group of services be operated from when they change in March? I'm assuming the new 11 will be operated from Scotstoun and this is just my thoughts but I would have renumbered the 1C as X42 and the 1E as X1 or 1X

Either that, or have the 1C become the new 1B, because it’s weird to go from A to C, without B between them.

 

[JumpinTrainz]

Remember these orders were nearly 4 years ago. First Glasgow ordered solely ADL from 2015 until this year with the new Streedecks due to go into service. Yutong weren't as considerable in 2021. It wasn't until 2023 that Aberdeen got theirs.

It seems that Wrightbus may be of interest again though.

I imagine Glasgow are more likely to receive Wright again over Yutong. I imagine Electroliners and Kites will be delivered next which is a shame as the new generation E400EV looks like a pretty decent bus and seems to have been received well.

 

[camro]

I imagine Glasgow are more likely to receive Wright again over Yutong. I imagine Electroliners and Kites will be delivered next which is a shame as the new generation E400EV looks like a pretty decent bus and seems to have been received well.

The demonstrator has recieved some criticism, apparently not very good on the motorway and it had to get the door mechanism repaired at one point since it's come up here.

The GB Kite too, apparently a very high vehicle despite being single deck, I don't know exactly where in Glasgow it could be an issue but there's bound to be places.

Something I have wondered is why Switch Mobility is completely out of the question. Are their offerings considerably poor? I wouldn't exactly know where to look to get the answer.

 

[Dfatcontroller]

The demonstrator has recieved some criticism, apparently not very good on the motorway and it had to get the door mechanism repaired at one point since it's come up here.

The GB Kite too, apparently a very high vehicle despite being single deck, I don't know exactly where in Glasgow it could be an issue but there's bound to be places.

Something I have wondered is why Switch Mobility is completely out of the question. Are their offerings considerably poor? I wouldn't exactly know where to look to get the answer.

From what I've read elsewhere the door mechanism needed to be repaired after a Driver smacked it off a kerb.
That's not ADL's fault.

 

[camro]

From what I've read elsewhere the door mechanism needed to be repaired after a Driver smacked it off a kerb.
That's not ADL's fault.

Okay thanks for the info.

I can't remember exactly what problems people had with the demo, but it seemed there was a general unrest.

Also wanted to say, 33913 has lost it's #FreeToExplore branding to the new livery, and is now peculiarly tracking on the 60 which is a Caley route.

 

[Blindtraveler]

Out of interest, what were the issues experienced with the demonstrator on the motorway? Given that a chunk of Glasgow's work generally involves motorway or dual carriageway running, I'd be very interested to know

 

[camro]

Out of interest, what were the issues experienced with the demonstrator on the motorway? Given that a chunk of Glasgow's work generally involves motorway or dual carriageway running, I'd be very interested to know

I think this should answer your question:

I scrolled by that photo earlier and never batted an eyelid at it as I mistakened it for an arriva vehicle and immediately wasn’t interested. They look poor compared to the current fleet is all I’m saying. Purely a tickbox exercise to cover the contract requiring electric vehicles on it and what with the demonstrator (38400) not getting good feedback, ADL/BYD was removed from the equation at the time. 43mph on the motorway, you would be missing your flight going at that speed

 

[JumpinTrainz]

I think this should answer your question:

That’s just one opinion though. I’ve seen a lot of positivity coming from drivers. Errors and teething problems can come with any buses. I’ve heard they’re quite speedy at taking off.

 

[ScotRail158725]

That’s just one opinion though. I’ve seen a lot of positivity coming from drivers. Errors and teething problems can come with any buses. I’ve heard they’re quite speedy at taking off.

one opinion but the opinion of a driver having had them on motorway work, The majority of drivers agree with that opinion too. You’ve contradicted yourself there aswell, speedy taking off yes they are as are any electric bus how many times do you take off on the motorway? Your comparison there isn’t valid speedy taking off yes but with a top speed in the low 40s when the current buses can do 15mph more theres no question that they’re not sufficient

 

[route101]

When are the new airport buses in service?

 

[Noddy1]

Okay there are problems with ADL but from their comments some people on here would criticise ADL products even if they were the best on tbe market. You are not going to convince me there are no pronle s with Wrightbus BZL or perish the thought, from comments over a lengthy period of time Yutongs . Perhaps some on here would prefer cheaper Chinese products over Scottish or British vehicles even if that results as it has in workers in Scotland or the rest of the U.K. losing their jobs.