Graham Alexand
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Is this the same for the 2 that were deroofed (the 18 and 41 branded ones)?
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Strathclyder
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Bridge strike victims - like the two cited examples - are more easily repaired, as the damaged roof sections can be cut away/removed to make way for new ones; helps that the model in question is still in production in regards to the two quoted examples. Of course, this also depends on how severe the damage is and, more importantly, the age of the vehicle in question. If a vehicle is of or past a certain age, it will either undergo a proper open-top conversion or be withdrawn altogether.
Going back a good few years, the E500 (SN09 CDO/38225) that struck the Cook Street bridge (there is CCTV footage of the incident out in the ethers of the interweb; I wouldn't post a link to it here even if I had access to one) eventually returned to frontline service fully repaired and repainted (just in time for the whole batch to shift north to Aberdeen, but that's beside the point lol).
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I've just seen this bus being towed into Bellshill industrial estate.
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Graham Alexand
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You'll know what I mean then, the bus doesn't look like it's ever going to see the light of day.
Scotrail314209
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Is it me or does the 75 seem to have a slight issue with bunching? I've noticed today that there have been two 75s at once.
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The 75 has always been one of the worst services for bunching over the years to be fair. I remember a couple of times before lockdown where I seen 3/4 together and I've known people who use it regularly who've said that can be a regular thing. Most I've ever seen together on it is 5
Scotrail314209
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It’s strange because by Glasgow standards, it isn’t the longest route but suffers from bad bunching because of how the traffic can be during the day.
JumpinTrainz
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The 2, 6 and 75 are pretty bad at bunching. You could get at least three 2s all bunched together at the one bus stop sometimes. The 77 has got bad for it over time too.
The 7 and 61 can be pretty similar to be fair. Seems to be common with buses that cover a large part of the city centre but then also cover other areas that are shocking for congestion. Maryhill/Possilpark/Saracen Cross in particular can be really bad out of nowhere during the day
The 2 and 6 by the time they get over to the west are pretty bad. Parkhead, Shettleston and Yoker in particular on the 2 route cause a lot of problems I've found. They also bunch pretty quickly coming from Faifley too.
As for the 6, the route length, Victoria Road, City Centre and Great Western Road destroy a large percentage of the reliability. Think that's also why the passenger numbers have been dwindling a lot on it over the years.
The new E400mmc routes were bad for bunching. Better punctuality was achieved throughout lockdown. Noticed last weeks its back to usual self. Waited a good 25 minutes for a 6 other morning.
Victoria Road is very narrow now with the cycle lanes, all it takes is a delivery van or lorry and the road is blocked. I think the frequencies went up few weeks back, though hardly noticed that.
Victoria Road is very narrow now with the cycle lanes, all it takes is a delivery van or lorry and the road is blocked. I think the frequencies went up few weeks back, though hardly noticed that.
Zakforbes4
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The ones are by far the worst for it especially between Clydebank and the Town
I cannot imagine waiting on a 1/1A/1B today has been fun for people either going by the app. They seem to be 20 mins late at a minimum today. Seen a 1B that was 10 mins late but other than that they've all been later than that.
The 1 due at 16:32 at Clydebank Library for example still isn't there yet and the 1B at 16:52 is still not there yet either. They're never too great on a Sunday anyway but this is as bad as I remember noticing.
Update to this: Still got a 1A running 40 mins late and a 1 30 mins late just now. Been a thing since I first noticed around 2pm.
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Whats causing the delays?
No idea to be quite honest. They've been fine at Dumbarton towards Glasgow but they seem to crumble after that. Been a few that have been due at Osborne Street and only at Yoker/Clydebank. They're normally 5/10 mins late on every other Sunday with the odd one later than that but never consistently really late like today.
It doesn't help users of the 1C either because the 1/1A/1B change into them and vice versa. Few times earlier it resulted in 2 1Cs together despite being due every 20 mins.
FrankieB86
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I would hazard a guess, it has something to do with the Scotrail strike. The loading may be busier than usual and the traffic heavier. However that is me guessing.
Possibly. With 2 trains an hour though I don't think it would make that much of a difference though. The A82 traffic and Glasgow Road could be a factor but god knows. I just know it's a huge problem for the entire week normally and has been over the last 2/3 years especially. Going back 5/6 years they could be late sometimes but it was never as bad as now.
Scotrail314209
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The strikes haven't been having too much of an effect on the DOO services yet. However, there have been a few cancellations throughout the day as well as a very early finish.
Yeah it's a strange one. Since the trains have finished up they've been reasonable and mostly bang on time to be quite honest. I only noticed it from 2pm til after 6ish but I'd imagine it had been going on much earlier. It's where the capacity on the bus being limited could be a huge problem. If buses can be that late, the number waiting on the bus could end up too much. I know on the bank holiday when I was out it was a huge problem on multiple occasions.
I've always thought splitting the routes in Dumbarton would help to be quite honest. The problem is that 10 mins of recovery time at each end still probably wouldn't always be enough. It's the running time that probably needs a few extra minutes on top of that recovery time. Old Kilpatrick to Clydebank and Scotstoun to Argyle Street in particular are incredibly tight for timing.
If it was my decision I'd consider cutting the 1D to between Mountblow and Clydebank permanently, Running the 1/1A/1B as services between Dumbarton and Glasgow and then separate 200 numbered services to cover Balloch/Helensburgh from Dumbarton.
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I was wondering if anyone could give me some information on the 90 and SPT 89/90 please? My cousin has recently started traveling from Springburn to Cessnock using the 90 as it takes him from right outside his house to his work. This is ideal in the morning, however when he clocks off in the early evening he has been returning home via a 9/9A into town and then a bus from there to Springburn as all the 90 buses after 17.45 are only listed as going as far as Parkhead. The later journey after 19.00 (FG/SPT 89) do the full route again so he is a bit confused as to why they don't between 17.45 and then? He was told by a local that some of the intermediate buses tabled to terminate at Parkhead continue to Springburn (as the same bus) but he is nervous about trying it as there is no other Springburn alternative from the forge at that time and it's far too long to wait for the SPT services.
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The daytime service 90 is commercial and the evening 89/90 is tendered hence the timetable.
The 1755 service 90 from Braehead to Parkhead works onto the 19:10 service 89 from Parkhead round to Govan so he could take that
BBC Scotland had online and TV coverage of this today,
Bus depot bid to be UK's largest electric vehicle charging hub
First Bus will install 160 charging points and replace half its fleet with electric buses at its depot in Glasgow.
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Scotland's biggest bus operator has announced it is building the UK's largest electric vehicle charging hub.
First Bus will install 160 charging points and replace half its fleet with electric buses at its Caledonia depot in Glasgow.
The programme is expected to be completed in 2023 with the first 22 buses arriving by autumn.
Charging the full fleet will use the same electricity as it takes to power a town of 10,000 people.
The scale of the project means changes are needed to the power grid to accommodate the extra demand.
First Glasgow managing director Andrew Jarvis told BBC Scotland: "We've got to play our part in society in changing how we all live and work. A big part of that is emissions from vehicles.
"Transport is stubbornly high in terms of emissions and bus companies need to play their part, and are playing their part, in that zero emission journey."
First Bus currently operates 337 buses out of its largest depot with another four sites across Glasgow.
The new buses will be built by Alexander Dennis at its manufacturing sites in Falkirk and Scarborough.
The transition requires a £35.6m investment by First with electric buses costing almost double the £225,000 bill for a single decker running on diesel.
But the company says maintenance and running costs are then much lower.
The buses can run on urban routes for 16 hours and be rapidly recharged in just four hours.
This is a big investment which the company wouldn't be able to achieve on its own.
Government grants only cover 75% of the difference between the price of a diesel and an electric bus so it's still a good bit more expensive for them.
But they know they have to do it as a social responsibility and because the requirements for using Low Emissions Zones are likely to become stricter.
The SNP manifesto committed to electrifying half of Scotland's 4,000 or so buses within two years.
Some are questioning whether that's even achievable in the timescale, given the electricity grid changes that would be necessary for charging.
But it's a commitment that environmental groups will certainly hold them to.
Transport Scotland is providing £28.1m of funding to First Bus as part of the Scottish government's commitment to electrify half of Scotland's buses in the first two years of the parliamentary term.
Net Zero Secretary Michael Matheson said: "It's absolute critical that we decarbonise our transport system and what we have set out are very ambitious plans of how we go about doing that.
"We've set out a target to make sure that we decarbonise as many of the bus fleets across Scotland as possible, at least half of it over the course of the next couple of years, and we'll set out our plans later on this year of how we'll drive that forward."
Transport is the single biggest source of greenhouse gas emissions in Scotland which are responsible for accelerating climate change.
In 2018 the sector was responsible for 31% of the country's net emissions.
First Glasgow has been trialling two electric buses since January 2020.
Driver Sally Smillie said they had gone down well with passengers because they were much quieter than diesel buses.
She added: "In the beginning it was strange for them not hearing them coming but they adapt very easily and they check now.
"It's a lot more comfortable. You're not feeling a gear change and the braking's smoother. I think they're great buses to drive."
JumpinTrainz
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So these new buses are due in Autumn then it would seem? It’ll be exciting to see some new stock especially electric buses on main routes.
Scotrail314209
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I have a few of them. For a short while Arriva and First were on the route. The prices were half of what they are today.
I guess the 6s got bad later on today because the one I got around 10ish this morning was strangely early most of the journey I made. Far busier than its been in a good while though. Only quiet buses I've been on today were a 90 this morning after the 6 and a 2 home from Finnieston.
Buses around Parkhead were mostly full too and the Duke Street traffic is back to its horrific worst towards the traffic lights at the train station.
There is still buses currently running full with others very close to it down my way. Becoming very regular now at night too although tonight is the first time I've noticed it being like this at this hour. Been full at 8/9pm for a few weeks though. I think people will soon be praying for full capacity back on all services.
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KendalKing
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or extra buses, to cope with the demand.
That's also possible but I'd say it's unlikely given that most services are at normal timetable level or close to it
Jordan Adam
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Buses and drivers to drive them don't grow on trees. There simply aren't the resources to cope with the capacity issues at the moment when it's affecting nearly every route at all times of day.
Scotland is still operating at 50% seat capacity as advised by the Scottish Government, although it's only advisory if First were to stop following it they'd lose the funding support. England in comparison are now back to full seat capacity.
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Only really noticed this tonight on more buses on the app near me but there's definitely more buses full at this time on the 1s and 2s in particular although it's starting to occasionally happen on the 3 too. I definitely think the weather picking up and things opening up is causing it though. I've seen more complaints about buses being full too of late.
It's a shame that the government won't keep funding levels as they are if buses go back to full capacity because there's definitely a risk of losing more passengers the longer the buses aren't at full capacity. I'd imagine some services would do alright if capacity was normal but definitely nowhere near all just yet.
It's a shame that the government won't keep funding levels as they are if buses go back to full capacity because there's definitely a risk of losing more passengers the longer the buses aren't at full capacity. I'd imagine some services would do alright if capacity was normal but definitely nowhere near all just yet.