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KrisEK

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It's definitely incomplete, there's no 18s showing on the map at all. Hopefully it all gets added soon because I would love a live map of all First Glasgow buses.

What's the story behind timesbus.org though, it looks to be basically a clone of bustimes.org?
 
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318266

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What's the story behind timesbus.org though, it looks to be basically a clone of bustimes.org?
The code to bustimes.org is "open source", that is anyone is allowed to look at the source code that runs the site (available at GitHub, for those who understand Python and Django coding). You can also fork the program and run it hosted locally, and modify it as you wish so long as you also make the derived program open source as well, per the licence terms that bustimes.org code was released under. (Notably, I struggle to find the derived open source code for timesbus, other than an unmodified dev branch that does not have any of the updated code)

The people behind timesbus have forked (copied and modified) bustimes, and are seemingly attempting to "improve" it, but the site appears to be marred with stability and data completion issues from my cursory research.
 

voidwxrranty

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The code to bustimes.org is "open source", that is anyone is allowed to look at the source code that runs the site (available at GitHub, for those who understand Python and Django coding). You can also fork the program and run it hosted locally, and modify it as you wish so long as you also make the derived program open source as well, per the licence terms that bustimes.org code was released under. (Notably, I struggle to find the derived open source code for timesbus, other than an unmodified dev branch that does not have any of the updated code)

The people behind timesbus have forked (copied and modified) bustimes, and are seemingly attempting to "improve" it, but the site appears to be marred with stability and data completion issues from my cursory research.
after speaking with members of the Timesbus team, the site is still in development, you yourself as a developer would realise how long development can take.

The code will be made open source, as per bustimes, When the site is fully operational.
 

318266

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after speaking with members of the Timesbus team, the site is still in development, you yourself as a developer would realise how long development can take.

The code will be made open source, as per bustimes, When the site is fully operational.
As a developer, to be perfectly honest, I would not publish to the public an incomplete and unstable program, that by releasing it arguably breaks the terms of the bustimes.org licence (as timesbus.org, via kofi, is at the present time financially benefiting from bustimes.org's code which it is not legally compliant with), without at the very least making it very clear to all users of the site is still very much in development!
 

voidwxrranty

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As a developer, to be perfectly honest, I would not publish to the public an incomplete and unstable program, that by releasing it arguably breaks the terms of the bustimes.org licence (as timesbus.org, via kofi, is at the present time financially benefiting from bustimes.org's code which it is not legally compliant with), without at the very least making it very clear to all users of the site is still very much in development!
they have made it clear!
 
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I imagine this should see the end of the E400City’s in Glasgow. Was at the airport the other day and didn’t see any of the new buses.
This morning should hopefully see the Streetdecks in full operation

I’d suggest it is an issue with the third party sites, if First are managing to track them okay from what will be the same data source.
The 57 is one that doesn't seem to track at all on that timesbus.org, not half skewed.
 

318266

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The 57 is one that doesn't seem to track at all on that timesbus.org, not half skewed.
It isn't specific routes that don't track - what I suspect is that they are overloading the First API with too many requests for data, so it does not send back all buses location. Either that, or incompetence in the request header or processing of First data at timesbus' end.
 

Buzby

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Yesterday evening I counted 23 flagged FirstBus services tracking - that’s across the whole of greater Glasgow, so something is seriously amiss. If it is indeed the overloading of the API that is causing this, they’ll have to find a more robust method achieving a data feed that can be relied upon. There are times where other apps do not show occasional services I know are due, and the FB App confirms it’s coming (and can magically appear subsequently) - but too late to be of use when deciding my route planning.

As it stands though, as of yesterday barely 10% of buses were shown, and that’s not enough to make me switch from my chosen app.
 
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Yesterday evening I counted 23 flagged FirstBus services tracking - that’s across the whole of greater Glasgow, so something is seriously amiss. If it is indeed the overloading of the API that is causing this, they’ll have to find a more robust method achieving a data feed that can be relied upon. There are times where other apps do not show occasional services I know are due, and the FB App confirms it’s coming (and can magically appear subsequently) - but too late to be of use when deciding my route planning.

As it stands though, as of yesterday barely 10% of buses were shown, and that’s not enough to make me switch from my chosen app.
Ticketers must have some part to play in that, They're not the best for tracking it seems
 

camro

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The vehicles on loan to Caledonia are currently:
33913 from Scotstoun
37211 from Scotstoun
38400 from ADL
64170 from Scotstoun
64190 from Scotstoun
67032 from Blantyre
67035 from Blantyre
67041 from Blantyre
67718 from Dumbarton
67732 from Dumbarton

From what I can pick up. But some current loans may have or are about to switch to being permanent transfers so take this with a pinch of salt please
 

jazza374

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Motherwell
The vehicles on loan to Caledonia are currently:
33913 from Scotstoun
37211 from Scotstoun
38400 from ADL
64170 from Scotstoun
64190 from Scotstoun
67032 from Blantyre
67035 from Blantyre
67041 from Blantyre
67718 from Dumbarton
67732 from Dumbarton

From what I can pick up. But some current loans may have or are about to switch to being permanent transfers so take this with a pinch of salt please
67052, 67058 and 44673 are all at Caledonia from Overtown. Not sure if loans or now transferred
 

LT02 NVV

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12 Nov 2019
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Glasgow
The vehicles on loan to Caledonia are currently:
33913 from Scotstoun
37211 from Scotstoun
38400 from ADL
64170 from Scotstoun
64190 from Scotstoun
67032 from Blantyre
67035 from Blantyre
67041 from Blantyre
67718 from Dumbarton
67732 from Dumbarton

From what I can pick up. But some current loans may have or are about to switch to being permanent transfers so take this with a pinch of salt please
67718 & 67732 are probably staying at Caledonia as they got transferred after the Dumbarton service changes happened back in March. Possible chance they might get sent to Aberdeen? Not sure.

As for 37211, it might go back to Scotstoun. But then again 37223, 37224, 37226, 37227, 37548, and 37743 also moved to Caledonia after the Enviro 400s started coming back.
 

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