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First Group: General Discussion

Blindtraveler

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Haven't we had a few of these rumours?



Yes and first I knew of the current one was on here. I took it with a pinch of Salt untill 2 days later a friend of mine reported the irrection of the Sale Board outside (this lass incidentally has no interest in buses) and so I messaged my mate who works for First at Musselburgh who confirmed the sign and said staff knew nothing.↲↲↲
As it was via Facebook PM and I dont want to expose his identity and/or breach any company social media rules I woant include the conversation however I used to work with this guy Pre First days and think I can trust him. Ok carry on!↲
 
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confirmed, from a driver mate of mine - Musselburgh ddeppo definately for sale! Staff however have been told nothing.↲

Assuming the "For Sale" sign that has been reported on the building isn't just a wee prank by First Group, then I think we can safely assume that the depot is definitely on the market.
 

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If First wanted to start a bus war in Manchester, there's one place they could do it easily: east. If they provided a service in competition with the Stagecoach 216/219 (or Metrolink!), it'd link ex-Finglands services with Tameside ones without the need to pass through Oldham or use a non-First bus. Then, there'd be competition everywhere, and First would be operating in all four directions out of Manchester, not just three of them.
 

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Assuming the "For Sale" sign that has been reported on the building isn't just a wee prank by First Group, then I think we can safely assume that the depot is definitely on the market.

I get the feeling the depot building is for sale, and plans are afoot to move elsewhere.
 

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If First wanted to start a bus war in Manchester, there's one place they could do it easily: east. If they provided a service in competition with the Stagecoach 216/219 (or Metrolink!), it'd link ex-Finglands services with Tameside ones without the need to pass through Oldham or use a non-First bus. Then, there'd be competition everywhere, and First would be operating in all four directions out of Manchester, not just three of them.


Well I wouldn't hold out much hope for First Group up against Stagecoach !

Hopefully, this sort of major showdown will be avoided by such big operators, if only to avoid criticism from numerous quarters.

Robert
 

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Assuming the "For Sale" sign that has been reported on the building isn't just a wee prank by First Group, then I think we can safely assume that the depot is definitely on the market.

Why, would First Group pull a sick prank like this ?, then again why not tell the staff whats going-on ?:roll:
 

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The important bit is in bold. Anything connected to that comment is limited to a select few of the company's operations - anything which is in the gutter, and at last count equals three areas.


http://www.passengertransport.co.uk/2014/02/first’s-new-chairman-to-review-operations/


Investors are expecting FirstGroup’s new chairman, John McFarlane, to have a material impact on strategic direction over the coming months

FirstGroup’s new chairman John McFarlane is expected to undertake a wide ranging review of the company’s operations to establish whether aspects of its businesses should be pared back and how improved financial performance can be delivered more rapidly.

It is understood that major shareholders were left “underwhelmed” by a briefing from First’s senior management held in the wake of proposals by Sandell Asset Management that US operations should be sold or ‘spun off’.

Rather than focusing on a defence against Sandell’s plan, the briefing aimed to justify the group’s current turnround strategies for UK Bus and US operations. More detail of the company’s plans were set out, however City analysts remain to be convinced that the target to achieve 10% profit margins in the US school bus operation and UK bus division by 2017 is sufficiently ambitious.

“Investors want management to be given strong encouragement to realise value sooner and there is an expectation that the new chairman will be effective in doing so because of his track record elsewhere,” Passenger Transport was told. “Investors are expecting him to have a material impact on the strategic direction of the company and no doubt we will see that in the coming months. They are happy to give him, as opposed to the company, some time.”

It is understood that a number of major shareholders would be likely to support a scaling back of the US school bus division to raise profit margins and focus management attention on the more successful parts of the business. First revealed at the briefing that 36% of US school bus contracts are low profit margin (below 5%) and that it would not renew them unless higher returns could be achieved. The future of Greyhound’s Canadian routes is among the other areas that could come under initial scrutiny.

“FirstGroup only have a certain amount of capital and management time so they may need to make hard-nosed decisions to sacrifice some businesses to save the best,” a senior City analyst commented. “Making those sort of decisions is what leadership is about.”

At UK Bus, it is expected that McFarlane will consider whether there is a need to achieve double digit-margins quicker than planned. Potentially, this may require further sales of under-performing companies.

“A 10% margin target is punchy compared to the 5% they are getting at the moment,” the analyst added, “but it’s not getting into new territory for the bus industry as a whole.
 

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this is FSE, where, from what Im led to believe as a customer (all be it grugingly) and enthusiast the staff are never told anything!
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a lot of single decks in place of deckers on Musselburghs X runs of late. Also not noted any olimpians round so wondering if they are now only reserve and schools?
 

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They've had a couple of Olympians on loan recently so they might have gone back to Larbert. As far as im aware, all of Musselburgh's school runs tie are interworked with other services. I know, for example, the 161 works with the X24 and the 171 I think goes onto the 18.
 

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All I know is that a bus was in an accident. Various people were discussing whether it will be repaired or not on flickr. As far as I know it has been taken away for repairs but I've yet to hear anything more about it.
 

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All I know is that a bus was in an accident. Various people were discussing whether it will be repaired or not on flickr. As far as I know it has been taken away for repairs but I've yet to hear anything more about it.

The bus that you may be referring to is 32222, the Volvo B7TL/Plaxton President painted in 1980s Eastern Scottish colours, which was involved in an accident a few weeks ago in Edinburgh while working service 18. It suffered substantial nearside damage and is currently away being repaired, although it remains to be seen if it continues to carry Eastern Scottish colours or is painted into the First 'refresh' livery once the repairs are completed.
 

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On a slightly different topic what do people prefer the old first fabric covered seatd or the new leather ones?

Hmmm....depends what you mean?

The older First moquette (Dark Purple and Blue with Green highlights) looked good but, of course, is looking quite threadbare in most cases now. The later more "speckled violet" (e.g. as fitted to vehicles from 2007ish) looked a bit anaemic to me. The new interior as a whole looks nicer with the grey and pink etc. That covers aesthetics....

Then you have the practical assessment. The leather is a bit hard (and not great on a cold morning) but perhaps will benefit with a bit of use to soften it up. The moquette varies really on the depth of the seat cushions. In some cases, it has obviously settled/degraded over time but in other cases (such as Wright bodied B7s of 2002ish vintage), there wasn't much padding in the first place, and that's the most important issue to my mind.
 

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FSE are coming off the 43 completely, notices have gone up in Livingston depot this afternoon confirming this. No date given as yet for the LDO of operation of the 43.
 

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FSE are coming off the 43 completely, notices have gone up in Livingston depot this afternoon confirming this. No date given as yet for the LDO of operation of the 43.

So First have just given up? That Livingston in real trouble then. I dare say the 43 will come off around the first week in April.
 

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a lot of the late 90s and early 200s Scanias suffered from this lack of padding thing too. I personally like leather but feer the First new speck woant last.↲

The L reg Scanias in the Falkirk area had no padding at all.

Made the brown vinyl seats of the old Leyland nationals and the upstairs red vinyl seats of double deckers seem like luxury seating.
 
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yes, sore bum memorries of 38s when they ran it pre 2009 when the Volvo B7RleS WERE INTRODUCED.
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FSE are coming off the 43 completely, notices have gone up in Livingston depot this afternoon confirming this. No date given as yet for the LDO of operation of the 43.



:) :) These views are my own and I appologise to anyone who doesnt agree. Good they have put this through in enough time fo Stagecoach to allocate more deckers.↲
 

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So First have just given up? That Livingston in real trouble then. I dare say the 43 will come off around the first week in April.

I would certainly have expected First to put up more of a fight. Instead Stagecoach have been handed victory before their service has even started.
 

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I would certainly have expected First to put up more of a fight. Instead Stagecoach have been handed victory before their service has even started.

I still can't understand why First has just given in? I did hear rumours First might have used the spare deckers to start new routes in Fife.

Has Aberdeen told them just to give in, to stop any further losses? We may never know
 

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