Mojo said:I find it incredibly difficult to see how First can afford over £1bn
Mojo said:Angus, Bus operators are not contracted for most services, they run services under the 1985 Transport Act on a commercial basis. Councils have the responsibility to keep some non-commercially viable services running, and they are contracted to whoever bids for it.
The Traffic Commissioner can revoke liscences but a total removal is extremely rare, and I believe it's never happnned before.
Angus said:Mojo said:Angus, Bus operators are not contracted for most services, they run services under the 1985 Transport Act on a commercial basis. Councils have the responsibility to keep some non-commercially viable services running, and they are contracted to whoever bids for it.
The Traffic Commissioner can revoke liscences but a total removal is extremely rare, and I believe it's never happnned before.
Thankyou for explaining that. So basically First will run Sheffield's buses for the indefinite future then? Even more reason to move as far away as I can possibly get.
1. Doubtfull, not enough units
2. With 165's so I have been told (they didn't admit only 2 WC - Paddy HST's will stop there now
3. They will run out of 165's
4. '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' ''
5. what is the point
6. Ouch, that is pushing it
7. unlkiely
joeholmes said:1. Doubtfull, not enough units
2. With 165's so I have been told (they didn't admit only 2 WC - Paddy HST's will stop there now
3. They will run out of 165's
4. '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' ''
5. what is the point
6. Ouch, that is pushing it
7. unlkiely
Jim for "goodness" sake stop being so doubtfull. Give them a chance at least!
Joe
Jim said:Look here Mr First. Most of that is true. Don't you feal sorry for me. I am losing HST's on my Westbury service
joeholmes said:First Group have specifically said that they have HAD to increase rail fares for the fuel prices. See last months RAIL
First great western ARE getting more CL180s and that a Fact ok!
See www.firstgreatwestern.co.uk
A more than 20% morning peak increase in seats between Reading and London and more than 30% in the evening peak through investments in the fleet, more rolling stock and improved timetabling.
Jim said:Chaz: Higher Fares. Can they get much higher?!
Jim said:joeholmes said:1. Doubtfull, not enough units
2. With 165's so I have been told (they didn't admit only 2 WC - Paddy HST's will stop there now
3. They will run out of 165's
4. '' '' '' '' '' '' '' '' ''
5. what is the point
6. Ouch, that is pushing it
7. unlkiely
Jim for "goodness" sake stop being so doubtfull. Give them a chance at least!
Joe
Look here Mr First. Most of that is true. Don't you feal sorry for me. I am losing HST's on my Westbury service. The 185's won't be in FULL service until Jan 2007. What will they do? If that is the way you feel about my train service, I hope you get a tin Rocket on Maidenhead - Marlow They are allready short on 158's. I don't like 2 coach trains on Portsmouth - Cardiff. Also, I wouldn't be surprised if they DO put 153's on the London area branches, after all, they need to get some 165's for my WSB - Pad service. I bet they will cut Melksham back, as they won't have enough Stock. My Pad - WSB service will be stopping everywhere. I can't see that I will pay £84 or however much a peak RTN is to sit on a 165! I can do Waterloo peak hour on a 159 for £22 (i is Adult RTN) Let see what you have to say then Mr. First :roll:
Not to Mod's= I am not provoking him, just shopwing my side of the story
AlexS said:153s are very useful versatile units - a lot of operators wouldn't let them go.
FGWFan said:Mr. Wessex Junior, be quiet.
1.For one, it is not YOUR service. It's FGW's service, or the DfT's service. Boo-hoo, you're going to lose HSTs on the service. Everytime I suggested you took FGW instead of SWT, it was no to that, SWT being cheaper and easier. Well tough cheese, you like the SWT route so much, carry on using it. Besides, having Turbos on it is hardly that bad. Granted, it's not the best, but tough. What you've got to remember is you actually have trains to London, and trains at all. I don't have any within 14 miles here, so there. I only have 4 FGW/FGWL trains a day in each direction too, those being from Hereford, 21 miles away. Be grateful for the fact you have some rail service!
2. 185s aren't to be used on GW either...
3. 153s on London area branches, I'd be up for that! You find an operator willing to give them away though...
4. fares, why pay £84 to go to London? That's absurd. There are ways to avoid paying that much AND go FGW.
5. Oh yes, and there's not many people who like 2-coach Portsmouth trains, especially at peak times in Cardiff and Bristol. Off-peak, 2 coaches is just right. But tough cheese, you don't like it, don't travel. Most people don't care what train they have, so long as they get there and don't have to stand for long, if at all.
Jim said:I AM GLAD first WON
Jim said:I am AGAINST first on this
To be honest i couldn't careless if they work or not,i just thought thoses plans/ideas were 'interesting' after reading a few articles on some of those routes over the last few years.Jim said:I WAS MERALY pointing out to 'Chris M' that these things are unlikely to happen, or not work.
Seth said:Jim said:I AM GLAD first WON
Jim said:I am AGAINST first on this