First South West (Kernow & Buses of Somerset)

[jammy36]

there is also stuff like the Eden park and ride on top, assuming that still runs

Yes, that still runs - at least three vehicles in use daily there last week.

 

[cnjb8]

Has this not happened to First in Cornwall before when Western Greyhound was winning many of the contracts? Makes me think First can survive with Truronian, Flixbus, Truro P&R, and the commercial network. I’m not doubting there will need to be depot closures and PVR reductions though!

 

[henryb]

Has this not happened to First in Cornwall before when Western Greyhound was winning many of the contracts? Makes me think First can survive with Truronian, Flixbus, Truro P&R, and the commercial network. I’m not doubting there will need to be depot closures and PVR reductions though!

There was a lot of mention of FlixBus opportunities in that article… they are going to need more than 3 buses down there to provide more jobs!

 

[Goldfish62]

I’ve calculated the PVR as 62, there is also stuff like the Eden park and ride on top, assuming that still runs?

Is probably suggest a higher spares ratio than 10% considering some services have a bespoke requirement (I.e Mousehole that seems to have 66% spares ratio at the moment)

I’d come to broadly the same sort of idea as you, just with the old solo and a couple of older E200s adding as well

The issue with the M6 is that although four Sprinters should cover based on PVR + 1 spare, First don't seem to be able to get on with them, hence retaining one Solo which should have gone. However, that's 20 years old and is not going to last forever!

The Sprinters seem to be able to run fine for a few weeks then all go wrong at the same time!

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Has this not happened to First in Cornwall before when Western Greyhound was winning many of the contracts? Makes me think First can survive with Truronian, Flixbus, Truro P&R, and the commercial network. I’m not doubting there will need to be depot closures and PVR reductions though!

Even in the days of Western Greyhound being at the top of its game I don't recall First being in this much trouble. Back then they still had at least as much local bus work, plus schools and the Truro College work.

I tend to agree though that they'll hang on. Such is the volatility of bus operators in Cornwall maybe they will even turn it around again, as difficult as it is to see it right now.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

Has this not happened to First in Cornwall before when Western Greyhound was winning many of the contracts? Makes me think First can survive with Truronian, Flixbus, Truro P&R, and the commercial network. I’m not doubting there will need to be depot closures and PVR reductions though!

I think that even in 2010/1, when arguably Western Greyhound were at their zenith, First's operations weren't as reduced as they will be now. They still had reasonable amounts of Truro College, schools and tendered work.

They were reduced to Camborne, Truro (coaching) and Penzance with outbases at Falmouth, Helston and Eden. We'll see what they end up with in future but it'll be a long way back.

 

[317 forever]

Indeed. We've been discussing nothing else on this thread since yesterday evening.

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Good point re what stays and what moves.

And of course they could most probably sell to Stagecoach without attracting the interest of the CMA. The same could not be said of any sale to GoAhead.

It would be nice for Arriva to be represented in the south west, which they could be if they buy First Kernow. Unlikely to happen though.

 

[TheGrandWazoo]

It would be nice for Arriva to be represented in the south west, which they could be if they buy First Kernow. Unlikely to happen though.

Take more water with it.

 

[MarkC]

It would be nice for Arriva to be represented in the south west, which they could be if they buy First Kernow. Unlikely to happen though.

Oh no... why? Lol

 

[Goldfish62]

Take more water with it.