First Trenitalia (Avanti!) WCML branding, naming and livery

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  1. Elecman

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    Been told that Branson is going to be on the last train
     
  2. Goldfish62

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    Glad I'm nowhere near it then. :D
     
  3. Amaroussi

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    It is more like Midland Mainline’s last livery to me.
     
  4. AlistairCowell

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    Only 1 day and a half left now...
     
  5. 387star

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    Amazing how the virgin brand is unblemished despite ordering trains with a load of serious design flaws
     
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    SOT closed some time ago - the room is now a bar.
    Both EUS and MAN have been refurbished very recently. Hexagons seem to be the motif.
     
  7. krus_aragon

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    My eyes didn't see that association. Poundland uses yellow, whereas there's hardly any yellow on the AWC livery (with the lack of yellow front end): the accent colour of the triangle etc. is a dark orange.

    Within train liveries, I'd say the end cars remind me of Arriva Wales' dark turquoise.
     
  8. Ladder23

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    Took the words right from my mouth I also thought the same at a quick glance with regards to arriva
     
  9. superalbs

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    Don't worry, the next franchise will live up to that. ;)
     
  10. notlob.divad

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    It was more the line along the top to mark the danger area from the ohle.

    As I said, maybe it is my colour blindness and the lighting in the render.
     
  11. PG

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    Well they've probably got tons of Virgin branded stuff they need shot of so he can give it away as souvenirs <:D
    Might even be tax deductible <D
     
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    MAN Lounge has a "party" planned for tomorrow night. Nibbles and a DJ no less.
     
  13. krus_aragon

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    Ah, I see what you're referring to, now. In fairness to you, that is pretty much a poundland shade.

    Maybe I was innoculated against that observation by having seen so much of the ATW livery in the flesh. (Their livery has that line in orange, rather than yellow.)
     
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    Feel sorry for anyone who doesn't like cranberries
     
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    There are new 'Advance timetables ' with red Virgin branding, identical to the previous collection of all Virgin WCML services after timetable change covering Dec 15th to May 16th 2020 ,with a Virgin Pendo on cover with yellow nose and it seems to me with same dining arrangements in First Class.There is note on page 3 about change of Franchise .Obviously my Virgin accunt will be no more and have to register with First Trenitlia.
     
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    I'd have thought that First Trenitlia will be hurriedly getting Avanti branded timetables printed if they haven't already. I doubt those Virgin branded ones will be available for very long.
     
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    Hi Jack, will you be at Wolverhampton with he view to boarding this train?
     
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    @EE Andy b1 one for your list, 390104 has now been debranded.
     
  20. Class455

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    Is there anything like this going on at Manchester tomorrow? As I will be on the last Euston to Manchester train and not to Wolverhampton I'm afraid
     
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    Very sad day for the railway industry considering Virgin Trains have been around for so long. I live near Wigan and the town's multiplex cinema which was built in 1996 was originally run by Virgin when it first opened (it has been a few different names over the last two decades). They sold Virgin branded cola too back then! (is this no longer available?) I also fondly remember the Virgin Megastores in Liverpool and Manchester where I regularly bought my CDs and they too have sadly long gone - I remember they were taken over by another company who's name began with 'Z' but they didn't last too long.

    The Virgin Train site is still up and running but I have a feeling it will be taken down imminently.

    I went for a job with Virgin Trains at their talent academy in Crewe earlier this year and there is a retired locomotive decorated in the Virgin colours that sits behind the main building for visitors to enter. I'm wondering whether Avanti will take over this site and what will become of this cherished possession?

    CJ
     
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    My Pendolino this morning is already announcing "welcome aboard this Avanti West Coast service to..." - it's the same voice, edited in. The headrest covers in First are missing on every train I've seen so far.
     
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    I am sure any TOC could do a blitz with lots of staff all instructed to change as much as possible overnight, companies coming in to refit waiting rooms, lounges, ticket halls, trains etc - but there's one big issue in that whereas you'd expect an airline or hotel to spend the money, it would be massively negative PR for a train operator.

    Cue the 'I pay £5k a year and you're wasting money changing the paint in a waiting room?'. It is more positive PR to do some work, and hold other stuff back until it was going to be repainted anyway.

    I suppose branding matters too. I suspect 'Virgin' wouldn't attract the same negativity as First would, for example.

    Should Virgin decide to get back into rail by licensing its name to another operator, I bet they'll do things as quickly as you've detailed above.
     
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    I’m looking forward to seeing the livery’s start rolling out, any idea when I can expect to see them
     
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    That's a bit cheeky isn't it?
     
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    National Rail website has Avanti West Coast as operator today.

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    Totally agree that ... is a left hand side of brain emotion but 100% agree all of that. Virgin were a feel good organisation in those respects. The virgin megastores were pretty much the only way a responsible adult with all the life trappings and demands could escape for an hour!
     
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    Is an entirely valid assessment that I had not considered. As you say there is a huge amount more public scrutiny on the rails than if Singapore Airlines launches a new First cabin or BA launches a new payed economy food service. Solid point.

    Fingers crossed for an uplift on last months Virgin TEL-EUS F service when they dropped a carriage at Shrewsbury for some reason and shoe horned us all into one car. Being only a relatively light user on train services I take a relaxed and modest view of such issues but when I asked the ticket guy the lightweight question, his answer was "it is what it is mate" :s .... this has become the new beacon of logic and reason at 'Atacama Towers' whenever we cannot or don't want to explain anything to the kids!
     
  30. Mathew S

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    Sad times indeed...
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