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YorkRailFan

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Over the weekend, I've noticed 2 ex-First York Citaros parked up on Knavesmire Road. I didn't catch the regs (sorry) but what is happening with them? They weren't there last week and haven't been at James Street. Is there any plan to move them elsewhere? Knavesmire Road is hardly a suitable place to keep them for a long time.
 
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Over the weekend, I've noticed 2 ex-First York Citaros parked up on Knavesmire Road. I didn't catch the regs (sorry) but what is happening with them? They weren't there last week and haven't been at James Street. Is there any plan to move them elsewhere? Knavesmire Road is hardly a suitable place to keep them for a long time.
City Transport Group of Gateshead own at least 2 and are one of Northern's RRP suppliers. Could have been on layover in-between RRP trips?
 

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They're in the York Park & Ride Livery but with branding removed.
As @YorkRailFan says, they're in plain blue livery.

I saw them today on my way to and from work. On the way, around midday, 11101 was parked on the east side of Knavesmire Road, about 3 car lengths north of Knavesmire Crescent; 11103 was parked on the same side of the road, about the same distance south of Knavesmire Crescent. Both were facing south. On the way home around 3 o'clock, I noticed that 11103 was still in the same location, but 11101 had moved away to some other location not on Knavesmire Road.

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Photo is a screenshot from my rear bike camera and shows a blue bendy bus parked on Knavesmire Road in York.
 

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I’ve checked PSV Circle news sheets and 11101 and 11103 both passed to City Transport, Newcastle last year.
 

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Interesting. Mine is a Chase card which doesn't have the number printed on it, and scans as a different number to the one shown in the app.

I use Chase too, so I don't know how First plan on verifying those tap-ins (although I almost exclusively use Google Pay so I can get the virtual card number pretty quickly from the respective app).
 

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First has published their West Yorkshire price increases from the end of the month.

They're persisting in causing confusion by making their First-only products the same price as the All-operator equivalents for the day and week tickets despite them having less validity. For monthly and longer they are lower.


From 30th March 2025, we're introducing changes to our fares, the new prices follow adjustments to the Mayor’s Fares scheme in West Yorkshire.

We’re also simplifying the way we charge our customers to make it fairer for everyone, meaning single journeys will cost either £2.00 or £2.50, depending on the distance travelled.

But don’t worry – you won’t have to figure this out for yourself. By using Tap On Tap Off, we’ll do the heavy lifting for you, working out the best value fare based on your journey. And no matter how often you travel, you’ll never pay more than the daily or 7 day cap.

We’re even working with your Local Authorities behind the scenes to keep fares lower wherever we can, so we can continue to offer a great value service that benefits both society and the environment.

So whether it’s getting you to work on time, saving you from the car park shuffle, or simply giving you a moment to chill out and people-watch, the bus is still here for you.

Any tickets not referenced below, will not be changing in price.

You can find details of our new fares below.

New First Bus fares - from 30th March​

Adult tickets

Ticket

Current price

New price

Adult Single
(Cash, contactless & First Bus App)
£2.00£2.50
Adult Single
(Tap On Tap Off & Pay As You Go MCard)
£1.70
£1.85
£2.00
Depending on the distance travelled
£2.00
£2.50
Depending on the distance travelled
FirstDay Adult
(Cash, contactless & First Bus App)
£5.00£6.00
3 Day
(Cash & contactless)
£13.50£16.80
3 Day Flex
(First Bus App)
£13.50£16.80
5 Day
(Cash & contactless)
£18.00£24.00
5 Day Flex
(First Bus App)
£18.00£24.00
FirstWeek Adult
(Cash, contactless, Pay As You Go MCard & First Bus App)
£24.00£26.00
FirstMonth Adult
(First Bus App)
£84.00£91.00
FlexiMonth
(First Bus App)
£52.00£62.40
FirstYear Adult
(First Bus App)
£850.00£910.00
FirstGroup Day
(Cash, contactless, Pay As You Go MCard & First Bus App)
£11.00£13.00

Tap On Tap Off daily and weekly caps

Ticket

Current price

New price

1 day£5.00£6.00
2 days£10.00£12.00
3 days£14.00£16.80
4 days£17.00£20.40
5 days£20.00£24.00
6 days£22.00£25.00
7 days£24.00£26.00

Student tickets

Ticket

Current price

New price

University Single
(Cash, contactless & First Bus App)
£1.60
(Available on 19 / 19A / 22 / 23 / 26 / 27 / 28 / 56 only)
£2.00
(Available on 19 / 19A / 22 / 23 / 26 / 27 / 28 / 56 only )
Single Flat Fare Student
(First Bus App)
£2.00Removed

Under 19s

Ticket

Current price

New price

Under 19 MySingle
(On Bus)
£0.60£0.80
Under 19 Single
(On Bus & First Bus App)
£1.20£1.60

New MCard fares - from 30th March​

Alongside changes to some First Bus fares, the following MCard fares are also changing:
For more information on MCard visit m-card.co.uk.

Adult​

Countywide travel, valid anytime

Ticket

Current price

New price

Metro Rover Single
(cash or contactless)
£1.00£1.25
DaySaver
(cash, contactless First Bus App or
Mcard App)
£5.00£6.00
DaySaver Bus - 3 Days
(MCard App)
£14.60£17.50
DaySaver Bus - 5 Days
(MCard App)
£23.80£28.50
Week
(MCard App)
£24.00£26.00

19-25 and Students

Countywide travel, valid anytime

Ticket

Current price

New price

Week
(MCard App)
£19.20£20.80

Under 19s

Ticket

Current price

New price

MySingle
(MCard App)
£1.20£1.60
MySingle – 2 Tickets
(MCard App)
£2.40£3.20
MySingle – 10 Tickets
(MCard App)
£12.00£16.00
MyDay
(Cash, Contactless or MCard App)
£2.80£3.20
MyDay - 3 Tickets
(MCard App)
£8.10£9.30
MyDay - 5 Tickets
(MCard App)
£13.30£15.20
MyDay - 10 Tickets
(MCard App)
£25.20£28.80
MyWeek
(MCard App)
£10.00£13.00
MyMonth
(MCard App)
£39.00£44.80
MyTerm 1 (1 Sept - 31 Dec)
(MCard App)
£148.20£170.20
MyTerm 2 (1 Jan - 31 Mar)
(MCard App)
£113.50£130.40
MyTerm 3 (1 Apr - 31 Jul)
(MCard App)
£113.50£130.40
My Academic Year
(MCard App)
£370.00£428.00
MyYear
(MCard App)
£390.00£448.00

New Leeds Park & Ride fares - from 30th March​

Alongside changes to some First Bus fares and MCard, the following Leeds Park & Ride fares are also changing:
For more information on Park & Ride visit wymetro.com/park-and-ride.

Adult ticket​

Ticket

Current price

New price

Adult Single
(Cash, contactless & MCard App)
£2.00£2.50
1 Adult day ticket
(Cash & contactless, Smartcard and
MCard App)
£4.00£5.00
Off Peak Day after 1pm Mon-Fri
(Cash & contactless)
£2.50£3.00
(After 1pm Mon-Fri & all day weekends)
Off Peak Day after 3pm Mon-Sat
(Cash & contactless)
£1.50Removed
5 Adult day tickets
(Smartcard & MCard App)
£18.00£22.50
10 Adult day tickets
(Smartcard & MCard App)
£36.00£45.00
20 Adult day tickets
(Smartcard & MCard App)
£72.00£90.00
Annual Ticket
(Travel Plan Network)
£580.00£667.00
Group Day Ticket (Weekend)
(Cash & contactless)
£6.50£8.00

Under 19

TicketCurrent priceNew price
Under 19 Peak
(Cash & contactless)
£2.00£2.50
Under 19 after 1pm Mon-Fri
(Cash & contactless)
£1.00£1.50
(After 1pm Mon-Fri & all day weekends)
Under 19 after 3pm Mon-Fri
(Cash & contactless)
£0.50Removed

Concessions​

TicketCurrent priceNew price
Senior/Disabled Day before 9:30am Mon-Fri
(Cash & contactless)
£4.00£5.00
Senior/Disabled Day after 1pm Mon-Fri
(Cash & contactless)
£2.50£3.00
(After 9:30am Mon-Fri & all day weekends)
Senior/Disabled Day after 3pm Mon-Fri
(Cash & contactless)
£1.50Removed
 

noddingdonkey

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I was slightly surprised that they are not planning on any fare promos on the 382/383 which compete with the 184, which Bee Network/TFGM are keeping capped to £2.00. First don't usually like being undercut.
 

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First has announced changes to their Leeman Road services (10L/59) from 21 March, due to a new road being constructed:


First has published a map of the new route and stops:
View attachment 175497
The new route for the 59 and 10L, which was supposed to have started on Friday, doesn't appear to be operational yet – the 59 is still tracking along Leeman Road today, but there hasn't been any update from First York on the delay. (I suppose it probably doesn't make a lot of difference, I'm sure it's obvious to passengers when you get there if the new road isn't open yet, but it would still be nice to know what was going on)
 
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The road is nowhere near finished. It was obvious every time I saw it that it would never be finished in time for last Friday.
 

YorkRailFan

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The road is nowhere near finished. It was obvious every time I saw it that it would never be finished in time for last Friday.
Came down on the 30 yesterday and can confirm it's far from complete.
The new route for the 59 and 10L, which was supposed to have started on Friday, doesn't appear to be operational yet – the 59 is still tracking along Leeman Road today, but there hasn't been any update from First York on the delay. (I suppose it probably doesn't make a lot of difference, I'm sure it's obvious to passengers when you get there if the new road isn't open yet, but it would still be nice to know what was going on)
Transdev hasn't put any information out about it whatsoever, at the way it's going, the 30/30X/31X will be going down Bootham before the new road is open leaving just the 19.

The usual uplift to Park & Ride services in York over Easter has been announced:
From Sunday 6th April to Saturday 19th April extra Park & Ride services will be running for the Easter holidays. Services 2, 3 & 9 will have more buses running Monday to Friday and services 7 & 8 will have more buses running Monday to Saturday.

A summary of Easter bank holiday weekend services and the frequency increases to Park & Ride services is outlined below:

Date & service:
Sunday 6th April
Normal Sunday timetable on all services

Monday 7th - Thursday 17th April
2, 3 & 9: Additional buses running Monday to Friday

7 & 8: Additional buses running Monday to Saturday

Friday 18th April (Good Friday)
Additional buses running on all services

Saturday 19th April
2, 3 & 9: Normal Saturday timetable

7 & 8: Additional buses running

Sunday 20th April (Easter Sunday)
Normal Sunday timetable on all services

Monday 21st April (Easter Monday)
Normal Monday timetable on all services

From Tuesday 22nd April
Normal timetable resumes on all services
This is made possible by the Uni services operating on a non-term time timetable, which frees up buses to be used on Park & Ride services:
During the Easter holidays, starting from Sunday 6th April to Saturday 19th April, University services U1 & U2 will be running a reduced non-term time timetable. Services U3, U4 and UN1 will not be running.

Date & service:
Sunday 6th to Saturday 19th April U1 & U2 will be running a reduced non-term time timetable. Services U3, U4 and UN1 will not be running
Sunday 20th April U1, UN1, U2, U3 & U4 will run on a normal Sunday term-time timetable
Monday 21st April (Easter Monday)Normal term-time timetable on all services
From Tuesday 22nd AprilNormal term-time timetable will resume on all services
 
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I’ve seen a report that the 590/1/2/3 times are changing yet again in May. Rochdale journeys will run through but Burnley journeys will be reduced to hourly, all via the 592 route. 591 and 593 withdrawn. Stays 4bph to Hebden Bridge and 2bph to Todmorden.

So might it return to double deckers? Might the balance change between Halifax and Todmorden? Yet another cut and reshuffle of the routes!
 

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I’ve seen a report that the 590/1/2/3 times are changing yet again in May. Rochdale journeys will run through but Burnley journeys will be reduced to hourly, all via the 592 route. 591 and 593 withdrawn. Stays 4bph to Hebden Bridge and 2bph to Todmorden.

So might it return to double deckers? Might the balance change between Halifax and Todmorden? Yet another cut and reshuffle of the routes!
The Lancashire County Council 'bus service changes' page for April/May confirms that so far as Burnley to Todmorden is concerned. Approx every 40 minutes at peak times, approx 60 minutes other times. Timetables are available online via bustimes.org and the link from there to BODS.
Link: overall dataset for operator then select show all sections, then select a date for after the change and apply filter, then select 'see more' to see all the stops (and again for t'other direction). Then select 2/3 and 3/3 to see the full day. It's slow to refresh, at least on my computer / internet link anyway.
 

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590/1/2 timetable from May attached (Monday to Friday). Data extracted as is from BODS. That is rather a large gap arriving into Rochdale in the morning peak. My hope is that there is a data error.
 

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Mollman

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I’ve seen a report that the 590/1/2/3 times are changing yet again in May. Rochdale journeys will run through but Burnley journeys will be reduced to hourly, all via the 592 route. 591 and 593 withdrawn. Stays 4bph to Hebden Bridge and 2bph to Todmorden.

So might it return to double deckers? Might the balance change between Halifax and Todmorden? Yet another cut and reshuffle of the routes!
Yes the hope is deckers will return to the service. Early mornings, evenings and Sundays now funded by West Yorkshire with support from Lancashire County Council
 

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590/1/2 timetable from May attached (Monday to Friday). Data extracted as is from BODS. That is rather a large gap arriving into Rochdale in the morning peak. My hope is that there is a data error.
It looks from the timetable that it is maybe all run from Todmorden again. There would appear to be a journey missing from Halifax to Rochdale at around 06.54. There is a Halifax arrival at 06.44 and a Rochdale departure at 08.47 suggesting this. Maybe this is missing from the data because it differs on schooldays and non-schooldays, I have seen this happen on BusTimes.
Yes the hope is deckers will return to the service. Early mornings, evenings and Sundays now funded by West Yorkshire with support from Lancashire County Council
Good if deckers return.
 
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Whisky Papa

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Wow - if shown correctly, that evening service is dreadful! Last buses around an hour earlier than currently in some cases, and only one bus per hour the whole way from Todmorden to Halifax. About the only winners are the inhabitants of Red Lees who now have an hourly evening service rather than alternate buses running via the (almost) useless Towneley route.

Even the current evening timetable has impacted my social life; I've already pretty much given up attending meetings held at the few venues for which the parallel train service is not convenient.
 

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I've seen 39524 out and about in York in First Corporate livery, after being repainted from York RLFC livery. Any reason why this now wears the Corporate livery and not the Park & Ride livery the rest of the Metrodeckers wear?

First have published details for changes to their West Yorkshire network from 18 May, including the aforementioned changes to the 590/1/2/3:
Leeds Park & Ride

PR1 Elland Road will now open on Saturdays, perfect for shopping sprees, lunch dates and city exploring, and PR3 Stourton will now run on Sundays too, making those weekend plans a breeze. More days, less hassle - just park up and ride into the city!

ServiceChanges
PR1 Elland Road
Timetable changes at peak times. Additional early morning journeys Monday – Friday. Service will now operate on Saturdays (except on Elland Road match days).

PR2 Temple Green
Timetable changes at peak times. Additional early morning journeys Monday – Friday. Service extended to reach the Skelton Lakes housing development.

If you're travelling to/from Skelton Lakes on PR2, please note that you will need to purchase one of our standard Single, Day or longer term bus tickets. Park & Ride Return tickets may not be purchased as these are only valid from a Park & Ride site.

PR3 Stourton
Timetable changes at peak times. Service will now operate on Sundays.

Leeds

ServiceChange
5/5ATimetable changes
7/7A/7STimetable changes, with off peak frequency reduction from every 10 minutes combined to every 12-15 minutes combined
16/16A
Daytime frequency reduction from every 16 minutes to every 19 minutes

19/19A
Frequency reduction from every 20 minutes combined to every 30 minutes combined. All services will run via Colton

38/39Timetable changes.
49Timetable changes
50/50ATimetable changes
51/52Timetable changes
Bradford

ServiceChange
608Timetable changes
612
Timetable changes, with increase in frequency to replace service 613/614

613/614
Timetable changes. Will operate between Bradford and Buttershaw only.
You can find the new route map here.

617/618
Timetable changes, with frequency changed from every 15 minutes combined to every 20 minutes combined.

620/621Timetable changes
640/641
Timetable changes, with frequency changed from every 15 minutes combined to every 17 minutes combined.

642
New service to replace service 686/687 between Bradford and Fagley. Will operate approx. every 20 minutes.
You can find the route map here.

645Timetable changes.
680Timetable changes
686/687
Timetable changes. Will operate between Bradford and Brighouse only.
You can find the new route map here.

Halifax, Calder Valley & Huddersfield

ServiceChanges
307Saturday service withdrawn. Some Monday – Friday journeys replaced by service 308
308
Timetable changes to replace some Monday – Friday journeys on 307. First and last journeys between Honley and Holmfirth withdrawn

310
Off peak and Saturday service reduced to hourly. Monday – Friday 6:03 journeys and Sunday 22:35 and 23:17 journeys withdrawn

314Saturday 05:28 and 06:13 journeys and Sunday 23:05 and 23:48 journeys withdrawn
501Timetable changes
508Timetable changes
579Timetable changes
X1Timetable changes
590
Timetable changes. Monday – Saturday daytime service extended to Halifax, partially replacing service 592 between Halifax and Todmorden.
You can find the new route map here.

591
Change in route to operate via Walk Mill, partially replacing service 592 between Todmorden and Burnley. Service between Todmorden and Burnley will be approx. hourly, with some additional peak time journeys for College days.
You can find the new route map here.

592
Service withdrawn. Replaced by changes to 590 and 591.

593
Several peak journeys will be extended to Todmorden and will run as 591. All other journeys will be renumbered to 592. Saturday service will be reduced to hourly, and evening service will be withdrawn.
You can find the new route map here.
 
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Apparently the 2.35pm Hawes to Leeds dalesbus( 876) decided to breakdown in the middle of Hawes market place blocking the road for approximately 4&half hours finally got towed away at 7pmish
 

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Apparently the 2.35pm Hawes to Leeds dalesbus( 876) decided to breakdown in the middle of Hawes market place blocking the road for approximately 4&half hours finally got towed away at 7pmish
Presumably enough room pass it as Coastliners 875 (a York and Rawcliffe extension of the 876) ran okay.
 

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There was a semi-running commentary on the North Yorkshire Weather facebook site with a posting of
"Driver Jack has just brought a second bus to Hawes to save Stan from getting a telling off from Inspector Cyril "Blakey". Passengers now getting onto the other bus."
The other bus was clearly Transdevs 2421 working the 875.
 

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I've seen 39524 out and about in York in First Corporate livery, after being repainted from York RLFC livery. Any reason why this now wears the Corporate livery and not the Park & Ride livery the rest of the Metrodeckers wear?
39518-21/3/4 were only in base blue, not full P&R livery and tend to spend more time on non-P&R services.
 

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