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Tsunoda is a Honda driver, not a Red Bull driver, so he was never in with a chance.
If it was based on driving ability I think he'd have been in the Red Bull seat a while ago. Unfortunately, this is Formula One, and Red Bull at that.

After 2025 he'll be out at Racing Bulls too, I would expect.
Yep. A huge shame given he is a decent driver.
 
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Perez is very popular in S and Central America’s. He brings quite a raft of personal sponsors, Clara, Telcel, Mobil, Disney, Kit Kat. 65% of RBRs merch sales come from Mexico and it’s fairly safe to say they aren’t buying orange T-shirts and hats. Perez’s presence is supposed to have generated $33m for RBR last year. With this in mind I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back for 2026.
 

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Perez is very popular in S and Central America’s. He brings quite a raft of personal sponsors, Clara, Telcel, Mobil, Disney, Kit Kat. 65% of RBRs merch sales come from Mexico and it’s fairly safe to say they aren’t buying orange T-shirts and hats. Perez’s presence is supposed to have generated $33m for RBR last year. With this in mind I wouldn’t be surprised to see him back for 2026.
It's sad to see Checo's career end on a whimper. During his Sauber and Force India days he was fantastic. I still remember how, in 2012, he almost won the Malaysian GP from Alonso. Granted, Alonso's car was a red tractor in 2012, but it was still quite an impressive drive for P2.

I do think he'll be back in 2026, probably helping to develop a backmarker. But I don't think he'll be in a top drive again.
 

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BBC reporting that Bottas has signed up as Mercedes' Reserve driver for 2025.

It also appears that Racing Bulls have signed Isack Hadjar for the vacant seat following Lawson's promotion to Red Bull
 
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After the livery launches at the 02 arena in London & various car launches pre season testing gets underway on Wednesday morning at the Sakhir Circuit in Bahrain. For the 3 days of Wednesday, Thursday & Friday there will be a morning & afternoon session. Each driver will get a day & a half in the car.

As usual the sessions will be shown live on Sky F1 with reports & Ted’s notebooks at the end of each day along with a devlopment corner episode.
 

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After the livery launches at the 02 arena in London & various car launches pre season testing gets underway on Wednesday morning at the Sakhir Circuit in Bahrain. For the 3 days of Wednesday, Thursday & Friday there will be a morning & afternoon session. Each driver will get a day & a half in the car.

As usual the sessions will be shown live on Sky F1 with reports & Ted’s notebooks at the end of each day along with a devlopment corner episode.
Shortest gap between seasons ever
 

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Shortest gap between seasons ever
Not quite - from race day to race day, 2024/25 is 98 days according to my calculations and that was matched in the gap between the 1973 and 1974 seasons where 1973 finished in the US on 7th Oct 1973 and 1974 commenced on 13th Jan in Argentina, so again 98 days and the same in 74/75.
 

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Not quite - from race day to race day, 2024/25 is 98 days according to my calculations and that was matched in the gap between the 1973 and 1974 seasons where 1973 finished in the US on 7th Oct 1973 and 1974 commenced on 13th Jan in Argentina, so again 98 days and the same in 74/75.
that is pre Netflix so doesn't count ;)
 

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Not quite - from race day to race day, 2024/25 is 98 days according to my calculations and that was matched in the gap between the 1973 and 1974 seasons where 1973 finished in the US on 7th Oct 1973 and 1974 commenced on 13th Jan in Argentina, so again 98 days and the same in 74/75.
Ooh thanks for that bit of history that was a quite a short gap and see that January was common start for the season back then.
 

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Noticeable things from testing:
Unusual incidents: lights failure on the first day, pane of glass smashed & a bus emerging in the turn 10 corner run off
Weather: it was cooler than usual apart from Day 3 & there was even a light rain shower.
The teams: Red Bull didn’t do a race run which leaves them unsure of. Lando Norris did an impressive race run on Day 2 but on Day 3 in the morning session the car looked poor & twitchy with the rear not looking settled on corner entry & Oscar Piastri’s race run on Day 3 did not look as good.
There was good times posted from Williams & Alpine during the test but were these glory runs on low fuel or have the genuinely made good progress.
The Sauber didn’t look good throughout the test & Haas concentrated on high fuel running throughout.
Reliability looked good throughout with no red flags due to a breakdown but some teams did have to use the boards covering the garage entry. Lance Stroll did miss some running on the final day with illness but Fernando Alonso covered this.
 

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Arguably it's easier when there is a clear number 1. Fighting between drivers can often get costly and a distraction. It helps when the driver is not a complete drag however.
 

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Arguably it's easier when there is a clear number 1. Fighting between drivers can often get costly and a distraction. It helps when the driver is not a complete drag however.
That's the problem. It's one thing to have a clear No.1 and No.2 driver, it's quite another to have a second driver whose average finishing position is 10th (well, 9.67 to be more precise) when your No.1 driver is winning the whole championship!
 

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I still can't believe they let Perez get away with basically being an anchor on the team for the whole season.

It was probably better for Max, all things considered. If he had been pushing Max in every race, he probably would've gone completely off the rails and lost the championship as a result, and it probably suited him not to have to worry about the second driver.

Arguably it's easier when there is a clear number 1. Fighting between drivers can often get costly and a distraction. It helps when the driver is not a complete drag however.

The best scenario is what Hamilton and Bottas had. Bottas could and would routinely push Hamilton, and he would take the race home if something happened to Hamilton, but he didn't have the skill to sustain a challenge to Hamilton over an entire race. He knew it, he accepted it, and he absolutely thrived in being a complete menace to anyone who was threatening Lewis. He struggled in 2021, but he did a wonderful job prior to that. I think part of it was that Bottas was genuinely trying to win too, but that he didn't let that desire to win turn into a toxic situation within Mercedes, and if Lewis was better on a given day, he didn't ruin his race in the way that other drivers would.

The thing with Perez is that he just inexplicably collapsed in driving ability. What he did in Abu Dhabi 2021 against one of the most fearsome drivers in history was legendary, but something clearly went wrong inside him mentally after that. It might also have been an issue with Max, specifically that while Hamilton was mentally tough enough to know that he could lose sometimes to Bottas and still win over the course of a season, Max doesn't appear to have the same resilience. There are also other examples of how Lewis and Vallterri had a good relationship, like when Lewis asked to be let through by Bottas to attack Vettel for first place as Vallterri couldn't do it. He failed, so he gave the place back without complaint on the last lap.

My theory is that Perez wasn't a problem financially or in terms of fan support/eyeballs to the Red Bull brand, and that as the Constructors Championship isn't a big deal for sponsors or fans alike, they simply had nothing to lose from keeping Perez. They probably did their calculations and established that Max would still win the championship single-handedly, and that in this situation, it was better to keep Max happy rather than risk a meltdown after a new driver comes onboard and starts pushing him.

We also don't know how Perez was perceived within Red Bull by the rank and file. There are plenty of reports that he was loved by the team itself, that he had incredible personal relations with mechanics, engineers, marketing staff and so on. He's known to really put a lot of effort into his sponsors and making them feel like they've earnt every penny from their investment, and all of this combined would make him worth a hell of a lot more than most drivers.

So, all things considered, he might not have been such a drag as the fans perceive him to be. Something clearly went wrong for him, but we also don't know if Red Bull were intentionally giving him cars that were set up differently so that they could obtain data to help Max. It's very possible that his "drop-off" in form was actually closer to what Hamilton was doing with Mercedes last season.
 

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The best scenario is what Hamilton and Bottas had. Bottas could and would routinely push Hamilton, and he would take the race home if something happened to Hamilton, but he didn't have the skill to sustain a challenge to Hamilton over an entire race. He knew it, he accepted it, and he absolutely thrived in being a complete menace to anyone who was threatening Lewis. He struggled in 2021, but he did a wonderful job prior to that. I think part of it was that Bottas was genuinely trying to win too, but that he didn't let that desire to win turn into a toxic situation within Mercedes, and if Lewis was better on a given day, he didn't ruin his race in the way that other drivers would.

The thing with Perez is that he just inexplicably collapsed in driving ability. What he did in Abu Dhabi 2021 against one of the most fearsome drivers in history was legendary, but something clearly went wrong inside him mentally after that. It might also have been an issue with Max, specifically that while Hamilton was mentally tough enough to know that he could lose sometimes to Bottas and still win over the course of a season, Max doesn't appear to have the same resilience. There are also other examples of how Lewis and Vallterri had a good relationship, like when Lewis asked to be let through by Bottas to attack Vettel for first place as Vallterri couldn't do it. He failed, so he gave the place back without complaint on the last lap.
Hard to Say, Max has never been tested by a teammate since Ricciardo, who was more experienced than him and even then they were neck and neck and Max relished the competition.
My theory is that Perez wasn't a problem financially or in terms of fan support/eyeballs to the Red Bull brand, and that as the Constructors Championship isn't a big deal for sponsors or fans alike, they simply had nothing to lose from keeping Perez. They probably did their calculations and established that Max would still win the championship single-handedly, and that in this situation, it was better to keep Max happy rather than risk a meltdown after a new driver comes onboard and starts pushing him.

We also don't know how Perez was perceived within Red Bull by the rank and file. There are plenty of reports that he was loved by the team itself, that he had incredible personal relations with mechanics, engineers, marketing staff and so on. He's known to really put a lot of effort into his sponsors and making them feel like they've earnt every penny from their investment, and all of this combined would make him worth a hell of a lot more than most drivers.

So, all things considered, he might not have been such a drag as the fans perceive him to be. Something clearly went wrong for him, but we also don't know if Red Bull were intentionally giving him cars that were set up differently so that they could obtain data to help Max. It's very possible that his "drop-off" in form was actually closer to what Hamilton was doing with Mercedes last season.
There's prize money from losing 1st in the constructors to 3rd which Autosport estimates is $20m. it could have been cheaper to buy Perez out of his contract and that's probably why they did it. How well you are liked in the company has nothing to do with anything if you underperform, like in any other company really. Plus RB has always been ruthless with its drivers, more so than any other team. Dr Helmut Marko who takes charge over driver decisions also runs the RB driver academy and always has his eyes on the next best thing, ideally from within their ranks.
 

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There's prize money from losing 1st in the constructors to 3rd which Autosport estimates is $20m. it could have been cheaper to buy Perez out of his contract and that's probably why they did it. How well you are liked in the company has nothing to do with anything if you underperform, like in any other company really. Plus RB has always been ruthless with its drivers, more so than any other team. Dr Helmut Marko who takes charge over driver decisions also runs the RB driver academy and always has his eyes on the next best thing, ideally from within their ranks.
Perez was given way too much leniency, however. They sacked both Pierre Gasly and Alexander Albon for less.

Doesn't RB get more CFD/Wind Tunnel time for coming in 3rd, though?
 

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I dont think having two drivers with near equal ability at R.B. would ever work.
Max is to.much of a sulky child and Christian Horner hasn't got the nous to have to make bulk tactical decisions as has been shown over the years.
 
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There's prize money from losing 1st in the constructors to 3rd which Autosport estimates is $20m.
However the team that finishes third gets 20% more wind tunnel time than the team that finishes first.

$20M is chicken feed to Red Bull but the wind tunnel time is not.
 
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Here are my predictions for the 2025 season:

Mclaren will be the quickest car this season with Norris winning the championship. Piastri will be a little closer to him this season but not by much (gap around the 50 points mark). I also think this may be Lando's best chance of winning the championship in his career depending on how the 2026 regulation changes pan out.

Ferrari will be the second quickest car with Leclerc slightly ahead of Hamilton (If you asked me this 5 or so years ago I would've said Hamilton would win this teammate battle by a pretty sizeable margin but age is catching up to Lewis now).

Red Bull & Mercedes will be very close as the 3rd & 4th fastest cars but Max will be the difference maker and will probably take 3rd or even 2nd in the drivers championship with Red Bull 3rd in the constructors. Russell will be ahead of Antonelli over the season but Antonelli may be on par with him in driver ability towards the end. Lawson will be a lonely 8th in the drivers championship but will do enough to stay there for the whole season.

Then a big gap to best of the rest which I think will be Williams & Aston Martin close together as the 5th & 6th fastest cars. Sainz & Alonso will be closely matched but Albon will be quicker than Stroll. Williams take 5th in the constructors and Aston Martin 6th.

Alpine will be the 7th fastest car. Gasly will pick up points in a handful of races. Doohan will more than likely be binned off for Colapinto at some point in the season but Gasly will still finish ahead of either driver.

Haas will be the 8th fastest car, fairly close to Alpine. I think Ocon & Bearman will probably be the closest teammate battle with Ocon slightly edging out Bearman over the season.

RB will be the 9th fastest car with Tsunoda beating Hadjar quite convincingly. This will be Yuki's last season in the Red Bull family and I think he'll go to Aston Martin as a reserve driver next season due to his links with Honda and Aston Martin using Honda engines from 2026. He may get a race seat there if Alonso bows out and let's face it, Stroll isn't leaving there anytime soon.

Sauber will once again win the Minardi Award for slowest car by far but I don't think they will be quite as bad last year (they were Haas 2021 levels of bad last year but Bottas was driving the hell out of that dog). Hulkenberg will finish ahead of Bortoleto quite comfortably but either driver will be lucky to get a few points.

Finishing order will be:
1 - Norris
2 - Verstappen
3 - Piastri
4 - Leclerc
5 - Hamilton
6 - Russell
7 - Antonelli
8 - Lawson
9 - Sainz
10 - Alonso
11 - Albon
12 - Gasly
13 - Stroll
14 - Ocon
15 - Bearman
16 - Tsunoda
17 - Colapinto (replaces Doohan mid season)
18 - Hadjar
19 - Doohan
20 - Hulkenberg
21 - Bortoleto

Apologies for this post being a bit long.
 

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LeClerc was fastest in FP2 ahead of the 2 McLarens with Tsunoda making a surprise visit to 4th place on the time-sheet.

The new Ferrari driver Hamilton finished 5th with reigning champion Verstappen down in 7th, but 10 places ahead of his new team-mate.

Whilst dry today, the forecast looks wet for the race on Sunday and substantially cooler conditions in general compared to qualifying.
 

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Max is to.much of a sulky child and Christian Horner hasn't got the nous to have to make bulk tactical decisions as has been shown over the years.

Horner is a marketer more than anything, and he knows fine well that Max is money. He's not going to risk losing the golden goose for the sake of the Constructors Championship, especially as it's not very important to sponsors. The sponsors want to be with the F1 World Champion.

So yes, it would never work. Max would disintegrate mentally if he was being pushed in every race, as we already saw when Perez started to really go for it. It's not even a bad thing, it's just that his racing style (smashing out laps incredibly consistently) doesn't hold up when he has to fight for his position as the #1 driver.
 

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Looking at the weather forecast if the teams believe the forecasts then more downforce would be advantageous but if it turns out to be dry they would be a sitting duck on the straights.

I think it was a possible mistake from Haas not to let Ollie Bearman do a low fuel run in the test as it could have possibly prevented the crash he had in FP1 by giving him a idea of how the car behaves with this.
 

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McLaren one-two in qualifying with Norris just edging out Piastri, who would otherwise have scored his first pole, and done so on his home circuit.

Six teams went into Q3, with a Racing Bull and an Alpine joining two McLarens, two Ferraris, two Williams (!) and single Red Bull and Mercedes in the top ten. Mercedes' and Red Bull's new no 2 drivers went out in Q1.

Qualifying was dry, but a forecast of rain for race day could mix things up tomorrow.

The omens look quite good for another close season, always more fun than when one team and driver is dominant. McLaren and Ferrari may have an advantage in the constructors championship by virtue of having two experienced drivers.
 

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I'm still astounded that they promoted Lawson ahead of Yuki at RB. This quali just shows that, with Lawson being miles behind even Yuki.

Ferrari looks to be in a bit of trouble?
 

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I'm still astounded that they promoted Lawson ahead of Yuki at RB. This quali just shows that, with Lawson being miles behind even Yuki.

Ferrari looks to be in a bit of trouble?

Lawson wasn’t helped in FP3 with a turbo issue curtailing running so was on the back foot entering qualifying
 

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I'm still astounded that they promoted Lawson ahead of Yuki at RB. This quali just shows that, with Lawson being miles behind even Yuki.

Ferrari looks to be in a bit of trouble?
Yuukki is a honda driver. Red Bull are switching engine suppliers next season.

Yuki will not be an F1 driver next season
 

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Alonso: one off the greats or wasted talent? Discuss
One of the greats, who has unfortunately managed to consistently make the wrong career choice virtually at every step since leaving Renault. Though he did have half a good season after replacing Vettel. Really though, Aston needs to kick Stroll (wishful thinking I know) if they want to get anywhere.
Yuki will not be an F1 driver next season
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One of the greats, who has unfortunately managed to consistently make the wrong career choice virtually at every step since leaving Renault. Though he did have half a good season after replacing Vettel. Really though, Aston needs to kick Stroll (wishful thinking I know) if they want to get anywhere.

:(:(
Over rated in my opinion, believes his own hype. For me his trips to the Indy 500 summed him up, he thought because he'd been a F1 champion he could jump in and win, then seem surprised when he didn't even qualify. This was on his 2nd visit in 3 attempts, his best finish was 21st
 

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