FSR to lose First livery

[class 313]

That said, putting identity into other train liveries would be a really good idea IMO; so why are ya moaning?

Because Scotland is in Britain. Painting their units with no hint of that just shouts 'look at us we don't want to be British.'

 

[First ScotRail]

I guess he can't mention due to confidentiality. I have also heard a rumor (completely unconfirmed) that Mary what's-her-name is going to be heading south to head a baid for the South Central franchise, could that be what "First Scotrail" is talking about?

No, I havent heard that rumour. I saw her last week so shes still at FSR at present.


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Because Scotland is in Britain. Painting their units with no hint of that just shouts 'look at us we don't want to be British.'

Eh remember we have a devolved government who makes transport decisions so its entirely their choice whether to change the colour of the trains or not. The DfT could do exactly the same, however england has so many operators, scotland and wales are really just 1 main one, so therefore making it easier to rebrand.

 

[rail-britain]

Has anyone noticed that the FSR base colour scheme and TRANS livery are the same!
FSR were already aware that this was proposed, and hence why this darker base colour was used
Also, a small number of Class 170s actually carried this livery, without logos, before they were painted into FSR colours
Without giving the game away, but all the SPT units are expected to be repainted within just 6 months and completed first (pardon the pun)

 

[me123]

Because Scotland is in Britain. Painting their units with no hint of that just shouts 'look at us we don't want to be British.'

Ehh... no. We have an identity quite similar to that of Wales, the West Country, the Midlands, Newcastle... why not promote our identity? And I both support the new livery AND am proud to be British, so your theory goes down the pan.
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Without giving the game away, but all the SPT units are expected to be repainted within just 6 months and completed first (pardon the pun)

Ahh, fantastic! The SPT livery's getting a bit past it now on most units anyway; the 156s in particular are in need of a refresh. I know it won't happen in 6 months, but are the interiors getting a complete refrech as well? Again, the SPT 156s are in dire need of one.

 

[rail-britain]

The main issue has been integrating the former Strathclyde Transport setup
It was agreed that the former boundaries would be observed for 10 years after Strathclyde Regional Council was disbanded and replaced by the unitary authorities
This resulted in a slight overlap when the Class 334s were introduced, hence why they had to be given the new SPT livery

SPTE no longer funds train investment directly so given that the entire SPT fleet was going to be repainted it was a great opportunity to have one entire fleet showing the investment and ownership that TRANS makes
The main contention has always been that investment has been internal
There was a great fear that many of the Scottish units would be transferred to England, with the replacements being of less quaility
This was evident when NatEx attempted a swap of Class 156 and 158 units a few years ago
This caused political outrage, ironically many people thought Scotland was getting the better deal by receiving Class 156s and giving away its Class 158, but hey what do politicians know!

The Class 318, 320, and 334 units are being painted as a priority
It is expected the Class 334s will be completed last as they are now due overhaul
The Class 156s have already been through refurbishment, so it's a repaint only
The Class 158s refurbishment is nearly completed, so again a repaint only
A decision has still to be made on the Class 170s as some of them are nearing their first overhaul

 

[me123]

I was expecting a 334/170 repaint first for a "media launch" of sorts. So I'd hope a 334 came out first. Or even a 318. A 320 media launch would be pretty pathetic.

156 FSRs are great and, IMO, can be left for a good while yet. The SPT 156s, however, do need a total internal and external refresh IMO to be brought to the same standard as the FSR sprinters. I'd say the 156 interior for FSR units can remain standard on SPT refurbs, but I don't see it being priority.

As for 170s, well they''re fantastic as they are as are the 158s. Surely if it's only going to be 6 months, we can do them last.

 

[rail-britain]

From what I can work out, only one unit will be painted and ready for the launch
This should be 158719
Another two units will be selected, pretty much from whatever is at Glasgow Works at the time, but these will be receiving vinyls only and be repainted at a later date
A Class 334 won't be ready from overhaul in time

It's really ironic
I will shortly be joining First Group as their SESTrans liaison
It looks as if I might not actually be at the launch...
I might also need a change of username to reflect that too!

 

[me123]

A 158... well, not a bad unit for launch but could be better... Didn't think a class 334 would have been out in time, but I still had my fingers crossed (false hope...)...

 

[adambro]

Oh how I think it is very pathetic that anything like this gets turned into some issue of the Union. Seems like a good move to me.

 

[me123]

Thank you

 

[laseandre]

I think it's a good idea, and it's not just a way of getting the english's or labour's backs up. It has been planned for months, why didn't anyone complain before?

 

[ADRboy]

Would be good to see the 334's redone first, coach lines and all sorts of vinyl's coming off just about every one i have seen.

 

[me123]

IMO, the 334s have been looking alright recently, if a bit dirty. They are due a refresh, though, so as said this will be done at that point. Wonder if they'll get new interiors as part of the refresh, though. They would certainly suit blue colours.

 

[rail-britain]

The current ScotRail franchise does not include Class 334 refurbishment, so unless the RoSCo are paying for it, very unlikely
However, as above, the units are now due their first major overhaul, I believe its a C6X, so its just bodywork, electrics, systems, and bogies

 

[class 313]

IMO, the 334s have been looking alright recently, if a bit dirty. They are due a refresh, though, so as said this will be done at that point. Wonder if they'll get new interiors as part of the refresh, though. They would certainly suit blue colours.

8 year old units and you're talking about a major refresh inside?

I don't know what to say to be honest.

 

[rail-britain]

Most units in the SPT are get an internal refurb every 10 to 12 years
The first one is usually a basic one, with just the seats given new fabrics
The second is usually a bit more intensive, including updates to fittings and so on

I remember this happened with the Class 314s, almost at the same time they were repainted from blue/grey to SPTE red/black

 

[me123]

I know they usually last longer before we start altering them, but I thought maybe that the new livery would inspire new interior colours?

Not that it matters, really, they are looking absolutely fantastic inside.

 

[djw1981]

The seats are red and green. which could look odd with a blue exterior

 

[First ScotRail]

Dont know whether this has been mentioned or not, but 5 stations are to be in the new colours this month.

 

[laseandre]

Yes! Somewhere local to me being rebranded first for a change!

 

[ADRboy]

I take it Partick will be done in the new colours when it's finished?

 

[laseandre]

Nothing saying it won't be.

 

[me123]

Well, that's an SPT subway interchange so I'm not sure how that'd work out.

 

[laseandre]

Maybe it would be done with SPT + "ScotRail" colours on the outside, but SPT in the subway only and ScotRail in the Mainline station.

 

[rail-britain]

The facade at partick will be in the colours of SPT, much the same as Buchanan Bus Station
There will be a central ticketing office
On one side it will carry the SPT Subway colour scheme
This will then lead to the rail station and that point the TS colour scheme will then apply

 

[andylloyd]

Saw an un-identified FSR class170 failed just south of Tyne yard, pretty close to Birtley.
SLW i believe was implemented as we had to wait for 10-15 mins for various trains to get through.

Any info at all?

Regards
Andy

 

[Turbostar]

Saw an un-identified FSR class170 failed just south of Tyne yard, pretty close to Birtley.
SLW i believe was implemented as we had to wait for 10-15 mins for various trains to get through.

Any info at all?

Regards
Andy

What does this have to do with 'FSR to lose First livery'??? :roll:

 

[me123]

Perhaps that train is getting reliveried? Just a thought...

 

[rail-britain]

It would appear that Class 158s and 170s are being repainted at Newton Heath
Apparently the first Class 158 is now complete which is why there is a Class 170 on its way south, so this swap should be complete by the end of the week
There will also be either a Class 320 or Class 334 chosen later this week, but this will have vinyls applied and not repainted, and this will be used for a short promotional item on the reopening of the Cathcart Circle along with some route improvements

There are plans in place for a public launch event on Monday 01 September
Although this is more to do with another route in Scotland!

Work is also due to start on removing and replacing all the existing "Strathclyde Transport" signage and bridge adverts, some of which are in very poor condition and/or with parts missing

 

[First ScotRail]

The 170 had been to crewe according to scot-rail. The 2x158s ex SWT are going to newton heath to get the new sr livery, but these units are northern rail anyway so they are really just looking after their own...not fsr's. I really think this is just a one off.