Future of the Class 89

[61653 HTAFC]

One of the other AC electrics at Barrow Hill currently wears a variant of Intercity, as well as one of GWR's 08. 37518 and 37254 have both previously worn intercity swallow but have both been reliveried since 2014, and 86213, another swallow-liveried loco, was recently exported.

I always thought the Flying Badger looked great in GNER colours, the only criticism being the sacrifice of its "double-ended" looks so that it vaguely matched the 91s (the stripe should've been full length, or not there at all), which looked very odd if the loco got turned!

 

[RichmondCommu]

One of the other AC electrics at Barrow Hill currently wears a variant of Intercity, as well as one of GWR's 08. 37518 and 37254 have both previously worn intercity swallow but have both been reliveried since 2014, and 86213, another swallow-liveried loco, was recently exported.

Without checking that would either be a class 82 or 83 as they were used to move ECS in and out of Euston after the rest of their class mates had been withdrawn.

 

[Cowley]

Without checking that would either be a class 82 or 83 as they were used to move ECS in and out of Euston after the rest of their class mates had been withdrawn.

Off the top of my head I think 83012 was the one in original Intercity livery.
It ended up very faded but I assume it looks smart now.

 

[CosherB]

Off the top of my head I think 83012 was the one in original Intercity livery.
It ended up very faded but I assume it looks smart now.

Google is your friend!

83012

(Not mine)

 

[Cowley]

Google is your friend!

83012

(Not mine)

Thanks CosherB. Looks really nice. I had a look earlier and remembered that it was unusual in that it was in Intercity colours but also retained headcodes with I think blinds too.
I've gone off on a tangent again and I can't think of any useful class 89 questions.
Over and out.

 

[BR60062]

Having fond memories of seeing 89001 back in the days with GNER in around 2002ish. I am pleased to see that work is being carried out on this unique locomotive. I don't know if a railtour with a Mk4 set could be viable when the IEP's replace these trains in 2018? But I would love to ride behind 89001 again in the future as I remember seeing it in its original executive (?) livery at Barrow Hill back in 2008 when I went to the diesel gala there .

So my message to the AC loco group is keep up the great work on the restoration of 89001.

 

[PYROOGOBBO]

I'd love to see a good ECML thrash with 89001 and 10 MK4's (maybe plomp a 68 on the back?) on a railtour, eventually 37's and 6 maroon mk2/mk1's s get too formulaic/common

 

[CosherB]

I'd love to see a good ECML thrash with 89001 and 10 MK4's (maybe plomp a 68 on the back?) on a railtour, eventually 37's and 6 maroon mk2/mk1's s get too formulaic/common

I'm not sure 89001 needs a 'good thrash' anytime soon!

 

[XCTurbostar]

Is the main goal of the preservation to allow the loco to become mainline certified and then charter traffic? or would it be something more like long term spot hire?

Thanks,
Ross

 

[CosherB]

Is the main goal of the preservation to allow the loco to become mainline certified and then charter traffic? or would it be something more like long term spot hire?

Thanks,
Ross

https://www.aclocogroup.co.uk/stock89001.php

All info regarding the future of 89001 is here.

 

[nlogax]

In the light of 89001 being referenced on another thread, just thought I'd ask if anyone knows of more recent updates on its restoration progress. Last update I see on the restoration page is from almost a year ago. (while I was browsing I joined the AC Loco Group..£16 seems like good value to me.)

 

[RingingEars66]

I always thought the Flying Badger looked great in GNER colours, the only criticism being the sacrifice of its "double-ended" looks so that it vaguely matched the 91s (the stripe should've been full length, or not there at all), which looked very odd if the loco got turned!

I clearly remember seeing that as a kid. I don't remember the Intercity colours, but the blue and red really burnt an image in my memory. I think a part of it may have been the striking design as well.

 

[hexagon789]

I clearly remember seeing that as a kid. I don't remember the Intercity colours, but the blue and red really burnt an image in my memory. I think a part of it may have been the striking design as well.

I'm too young to remember InterCity livery as such, but I remember GNER's colours vividly.

 

[HS 4000]

After the restoration of the badger , I wonder what operational use it would have should it return to the mainline , maybe it could be used to for electrification test trains or back on the ECML hauling/ substituting dead 91s knowing that WCRC has purchased 86401 and LSL aquring 87002 and 86101 one would hope their would be a great charter demand for such a loco

 

[alexl92]

It's an excellent question, and I don't think the answer is clear. I think the hope is railtour work plus some contract work maybe?

 

[HS 4000]

Quite possibly , with the ability to cover for GC 90s at short notice , or the Caledonian sleeper ECS , it seems as though electric traction is seeing a bit of resurgence in the UK so fingers crossed !

 

[The_Train]

It will be interesting to see what work this little beauty undertakes when it is back operational. I think it would be quite a gimmick for GC to take it on for their West Coast operations.

Is there any recent updates on the progress of this loco?

 

[43096]

It will be interesting to see what work this little beauty undertakes when it is back operational. I think it would be quite a gimmick for GC to take it on for their East Coast operations.

Is there any recent updates on the progress of this loco?

Do you mean West Coast? I don’t think GC have much call for hauling 180s around with an electric loco on the East Coast.

 

[The_Train]

Do you mean West Coast? I don’t think GC have much call for hauling 180s around with an electric loco on the East Coast.

As good as it would be to see the 180s being dragged, I did indeed mean the West Coast

The 89 would look good in their livery as well

 

[PYROOGOBBO]

I'd freaking LOVE to see it do the Stirling - London services with the MK4 + DVT Coaches but thats kinda fantasy, Or it could be used for ECS Moves in Caledonian sleeper livery

GC Would be awesome too, Maybe for the blackpool services i think that are running there.

odd question, Are they installing those bright new headlights like the Class 92 Got? i think it'd look gorgeous with some LED Lamps C:

Keep it in the IC Livery ? it'd be great for Rail fours? or combined with MK4 + DVT's in the IC livery. maybe for full speed blasts from Edinburgh - London

 

[43096]

Or it could be used for ECS Moves in Caledonian sleeper livery

Actually, no, it couldn’t.

 

[The_Train]

Actually, no, it couldn’t.

Is that just because of the lack of a Dellner or are there other issues making it incompatible with the Mk5's? (Not that I'd want it consigned to short runs moving empty stock about anyway)

 

[43096]

Is that just because of the lack of a Dellner or are there other issues making it incompatible with the Mk5's? (Not that I'd want it consigned to short runs moving empty stock about anyway)

Different train supply as well for a full 16-car set (1500V against BR standard ~850V).

 

[D365]

Different train supply as well for a full 16-car set (1500V against BR standard ~850V).

Really? I was under the impression that the Mk4 rakes take a *1000V DC supply, ergo the Class 89 must have been capable of it - from a voltage perspective at least.

 

[43096]

Really? I was under the impression that the Mk4 rakes take a 1500V DC supply, ergo the Class 89 must have been capable of it - from a voltage perspective at least.

Mark 4s are standard BR ETH (~850V) hence how they can be hauled by 47s, 67s, 90s etc etc.

Don’t forget the 89 hauled other stock e.g. Mark 1 charter sets.

 

[Neptune]

Off the top of my head I think 83012 was the one in original Intercity livery.
It ended up very faded but I assume it looks smart now.

82008 was also in IC Exec livery in its latter BR years but was repainted BR Blue early in preservation.

For me 89001 looked best in IC Swallow livery.

 

[D365]

Mark 4s are standard BR ETH (~850V) hence how they can be hauled by 47s, 67s, 90s etc etc.

Don’t forget the 89 hauled other stock e.g. Mark 1 charter sets.

Ah, from reading this article I thought that the standard ETH supply voltage was at least 1000V:

There were two versions of the Mk 3. The majority were used in the production High Speed Trains, while the rest were conventional locomotive-hauled Mk 3s.

The difference relates to the electrical supply. HST vehicles use an industrial voltage/frequency 3-phase supply directly from an auxiliary alternator in the Class 43 power car, which supplies components such as air conditioning. On the locomotive-hauled coaching stock (LHCS) version, there is a single phase 1,000V AC or DC train heat supply from the locomotive supplied through motor generator units. They are located under the floor and convert train supply to 3-phase 415/250V 50Hz AC, to power air conditioning and other ancillaries.

 

[hexagon789]

Ah, from reading this article I thought that the standard ETH supply voltage was at least 1000V:

I think it can range from 850-1000V for standard ETS, certainly with the Deltics it fluctuated leading to issues supplying ETS to Mk2d coaches when new.

 

[jaketaylor]

Hi all, apparently 89001 is been moved to Toton tomorrow? Just curious as to wether someone can confirm or wether someone is talking rubbish...

thank you in advance!

 

[DBS92042]

There is indeed a move from Barrow Hill to Toton on RTT. Whether its for 89001 though, I'm not too sure. If it is, I guess maybe its off for a repaint?

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