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"Problem caused by a build up of fly tipping."

Don't tell me the little s**ts have damaged the embankment by throwing their rubbish over the fence and now expect Network Rail to spend extra money fixing the damage in a way that causes no problem to themselves.
 

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Tough,what would they have to say if the embankment slipped and took their gardens with it.As to the noise of the trains they were there first and are nothing like the noise of cars etc so he wants to think before shouting his mouth off.I wonder if the author is any relation to Bill Branson?
 

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In defend of Network Rail, they had to do similar work between Winchmore Hill and Palmers Green on the Hertford Loop about 2 years ago and the result is much more pleasing to the eye then what there previously.
 

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In situations like this, NR (or whoever is concerned) need to get one step ahead, fire up the PR machine and make the situation absolutely clear for the wider public to see. Essentially, a tiny number of people who don't have a leg to stand on are throwing their toys out of the pram and potentially causing mass mayhem for the thousands of commuters needing to use the railway line in question. Their suggestion that an "alternative" be found will almost certainly cost the taxpayer a fortune in needless additional cost, as will the obejections the local council wish to raise. Put a price on it and make it public, and then see how much support the local busybody/village green apreciation society etc can muster. NR also need to ensure that they press on and reclaim the gardens regardless of any other ongoing matters, since it is their property and having posession clearly weakens any case against them.

Quite frankly, the best way forward in these cases is to ridicule the objections into submission.
 

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In situations like this, NR (or whoever is concerned) need to get one step ahead, fire up the PR machine and make the situation absolutely clear for the wider public to see. Essentially, a tiny number of people who don't have a leg to stand on are throwing their toys out of the pram and potentially causing mass mayhem for the thousands of commuters needing to use the railway line in question. Their suggestion that an "alternative" be found will almost certainly cost the taxpayer a fortune in needless additional cost, as will the obejections the local council wish to raise. Put a price on it and make it public, and then see how much support the local busybody/village green apreciation society etc can muster. NR also need to ensure that they press on and reclaim the gardens regardless of any other ongoing matters, since it is their property and having posession clearly weakens any case against them.

Quite frankly, the best way forward in these cases is to ridicule the objections into submission.
That might work if the press was as neutral as they'd like to believe. Similarly, let's not give it more credit than it deserves, it looks like a two-bit local "paper" which often has nothing better to report on than a turnip shaped like a thingy

(can anyone tell I was just reading the Blackadder announcements thread ;))
 

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As a Londoner I can to a certain extend understand the resident’s point of view. Despite the wonderful parks and Commons that exist in the capital, London is a densely populated city and private gardens are highly treasured. However of course the safety of the railway is paramount.

It could also be argued that more regular maintenance would prevent such drastic action from having to be taken. On the NLL there are several stretches of brick embankment where vines have been allowed to grow. Surely this cannot be doing the brickwork any good?
 

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"Problem caused by a build up of fly tipping."

Don't tell me the little s**ts have damaged the embankment by throwing their rubbish over the fence and now expect Network Rail to spend extra money fixing the damage in a way that causes no problem to themselves.
Looking at the birds-eye views of the area, it looks as though it's a long terrace, so if there's fly-tipping, then it's not coming from outsiders...
 

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Can some of the infrastructurally experienced forum members kindly give an explanation how fly-tipping affects the stability of an embankment. Is it the type of items that are tipped, is it the amount that has built up, is it drainage obstructed, etc ...

Remember, not all of us are knowledgeable in this area.
 

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Can some of the infrastructurally experienced forum members kindly give an explanation how fly-tipping affects the stability of an embankment. Is it the type of items that are tipped, is it the amount that has built up, is it drainage obstructed, etc ...

Remember, not all of us are knowledgeable in this area.
Sofas or other heavy items can cause small slips on embankment the extra weight all adds to the deteriation of an embankment. If drainage is in this case obstructed that is a huge problem for an embankment, most slides are caused by water. The amount could also be building up and sliding down onto rails whcih means it all needs clearing.
 

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Refuse inhibits vegetation - this is a problem as the roots of plants helps to bind the soil together and stabilise slopes.
 

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London is a densely populated city and private gardens are highly treasured.
Which is why people pay a lot of money to BUY property that has a nice garden.

If you buy a property that happens to have some extra land that isn't able to be purchased, then you've done well but can't expect it to last forever. Besides strengthening an embankment, what about wanting to widen the railway to add more lines?

Now if the person selling that property had made some sort of assurance that you'd always be able to rent the garden, there might be a case (not against Network Rail but the previous owner, or maybe a solicitors that didn't make it clear) but that's none of our concern.

I am sure most readers will probably side with the railway on this. I've noticed of late (and especially on the Daily Mail website) that people who make a big issue over something they should have known about get very little sympathy - in fact, they're usually told to shut up (or words to that effect). More readers probably use the railway than go into these gardens.
 

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It may also depend on length of leases the residents have, there may be something in any lease regarding network rail only being able to.reclaim if they default on their rental payments, without compensation

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It may also depend on length of leases the residents have, there may be something in any lease regarding network rail only being able to.reclaim if they default on their rental payments, without compensation
Maybe. If there was a lease. Presumably, they'd be compensated if there was a lease - but if they're just renting year by year then it's pretty much tough.

Just like finding that the nearby farmer has sold his land for housing, and you're going to lose a nice view.
 
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