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Gatwick Express - what tickets valid for it

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nik

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Hi all,

If I have a CDR with a NGC Network Gold Card discount and travel off peak, during a weekday, can I use the Gatwick Express to travel back to London from Brighton?

The ticket I have also has the cross on the front of it (so is valid for one journey either way on tubes) and states "Valid via Any Permitted Route".

Just want to be sure.
Thanks
 
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Iggy12a

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Do check the current timetable. GX are running an Autumn timetable, and many off peak services to/from Brighton are not running.
 

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I have come to the conclusion that the ticket barriers at Victoria for GX a programmed to reject anything that is not Route: Any Permitted. I have had a Route: Three Bridges walk up ticket rejected and a VTWC and Connections Advance. I would have thought the former would have opened the barrier but no.
 

nik

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What is a VTWC?

My tickets allow me to exit Victoria so that works fine. It was just the way the on-train conductors announce that you can only be on board if you have a GX ticket. Which got me worried and hence why I posed the question here. Thanks for the clarification.
 

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VTWC = Virgin Trains West Coast

(as opposed to VTEC = Virgin Trains East Coast)
 

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Many staff employed on Gatwick Express branded services have a habit of making things up.

The advice on this forum will be far more accurate than that provided on board Gatwick Express branded Trains.
 

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Is there any legal precedent to back up the validity of all GTR branded tickets on the Gatwick Express? Has anyone been erroneously charged and subsequently exonerated?
 

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Is there any legal precedent to back up the validity of all GTR branded tickets on the Gatwick Express? Has anyone been erroneously charged and subsequently exonerated?

Please, please don't ask this question!
 

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Is there any legal precedent to back up the validity of all GTR branded tickets on the Gatwick Express? Has anyone been erroneously charged and subsequently exonerated?

Not that I'm aware of. There's no way that Govia Thameslink Railway would let this issue get anywhere near a court.
 

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I think you are right about some staff simply guessing. I do the journey once a week and travel to Brighton in the morning via London Bridge but always struggle getting home the quickest way...mainly because after about 1830 there are few, if any, trains heading for LBG. So I have to get the GX to Victoria and then travel via District Line towards the east.

If anyone has a better solution do let me know!
 

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The only way round it would be for a customer, upon being asked to pay a "supplement" or additional fare on board a GX branded train or at the ticket barrier at Victoria to then prosecute GTR for breach of contract for failing to accept the initial ticket as valid.
 
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Not that I'm aware of. There's no way that Govia Thameslink Railway would let this issue get anywhere near a court.

It is not worth GTR's time irrespective of the validity or lack of, due to the minute sums involved in such arguments. They would lose in financial terms either way should they pursue the matter.
 

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Is there any legal precedent to back up the validity of all GTR branded tickets on the Gatwick Express? Has anyone been erroneously charged and subsequently exonerated?
So far everyone I am aware of who has been charged an excess fare by GTR who has then requested a refund has been refunded by the company.

I am aware of many more people who were told their valid tickets were invalid but "let off", especially customers arming themselves with a map (printed in colour) showing the company's routes (other operators routes are shown in a think black line, and this is explained in the key), and this has led to no charge being made.

However the company's staff deployed at London Victoria Platforms 13/14 are notorious for not allowing some valid ticket holders to enter the apparently gold-plated platforms, but if the ticket is routed "Any Permitted" they will accept the ticket without quibble (except, in the case of off peak tickets used at a time that is valid but the staff are not happy with, then incorrect and unlawful charges have been known to occur, but without knowing what ticket exactly is held, and what time the journey will be made, it is not possible to advise on the likelihood of the ticket being incorrectly rejected for that reason).

Regarding nik's journey, it will be hassle-free providing it does not occur at a time the Platform 13/14 gateline and its staff considers to be a "peak" time for the journey being made.
 

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What ticket was this out of interest? None of the tickets I have ever tried in the barriers have worked despite being perfectly valid, although when I explained my case the staff usually just let me through.
 
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