I've only ridden it a few times but I will miss the "proper" tube train noise the trains make. The '72 and '73 stock on LU don't make the same noise to the same volume.
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Buzby
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Ah - I can almost guarantee the eardrum bashing will continue - it did on G1 and G2, why would G3 be any different?
hexagon789
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Doesn't the new stock have radial bogies?
Buzby
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They’re supposed to - but remember this is a very small tunnel diameter so whilst it may help, it’s not going to eliminate noise. My Apple Watch regularly hives me excessive noise warnings at the same points on the G2 syste, the acid test for me will it be the same warnings when the G3’s hit the track? My guess is if they ran a bit slower they might achieve it, but I cannot see that happening, can you? Surprising lack of info about the Sunday trials and potential snags….
nlogax
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Headroom is a given, for me it's more about the classic Metro-Cammell feel in that smaller scale. It's pretty unique!
hexagon789
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Certainly the new stock has a higher top speed, but whether any revision of PSRs or raising the maximum governed speed is planned I have yet to find stated.
Not that the new stock is significantly faster; though acceleration and braking is probably keener.
Buzby
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Agreed - I could not believe how it all feels so familiar on entry. I’m starting to feel the same in the CAF products - not with MC, but with a familial type of connection!
Hondaboy91
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I’m a subway driver at spt the new trains will run alongside the old fleet
Plan is 2 new trains at a time while decommissioning the old stock
The new trains are fantastic bits of kit latest timescale is October this year (2 years late so far) for first trains to enter service
Plan is 2 new trains at a time while decommissioning the old stock
The new trains are fantastic bits of kit latest timescale is October this year (2 years late so far) for first trains to enter service
Buzby
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Many thanks for the update - and welcome to RailForum! Will the introduction be one new train per circle or both on the same? I’d love to work out when/where both are running and on opposite sides of the same platform! Is it still on track for running before the year end?
Avenger20
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Without opening a massive can on worms, is the general feeling amongst your colleagues that they are "fantastic bits of kit" when they're eventually meant to be driverless, thus ending the job of a subway driver?
bramling
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Thanks for posting this, I was in Glasgow this week and the general consensus seemed to be “October but no one really knows for sure”.
Is it fair to assume that there will still be at least some old trains still running in November? As I’m quite keen on the idea of coming up again.
Hondaboy91
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In answer to some questions they are hoping to start bringing them in during October however this is not set in stone and could well be into next year.
Plan is 1 per side running with old stock then gradual increase while disposing of old ones.
Due to the multitude of safety requirement needed for driverless operation it will be several years before that would be achieved if indeed ever!
The old trains are so unreliable and the last few weeks have been unreal every single day trains have to be removed from service due to faults usually major ones! They are struggling to run 5 a side at the moment and no chance of the 6 a side there is supposed to be during peak times.
Plan is 1 per side running with old stock then gradual increase while disposing of old ones.
Due to the multitude of safety requirement needed for driverless operation it will be several years before that would be achieved if indeed ever!
The old trains are so unreliable and the last few weeks have been unreal every single day trains have to be removed from service due to faults usually major ones! They are struggling to run 5 a side at the moment and no chance of the 6 a side there is supposed to be during peak times.
Buzby
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Please let us know if you’re aware of any sneaking into service without a fanfare!
bramling
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Many thanks for the update. Sounds like I’ll be okay for catching up with the old fleet in November then!
Russel
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Guessing none of these entered service in October?
It looks they do some runs, either testing or training:
GLC
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Obviously it would mean a period of no service whilst a conversion takes place, but given the closer nature, and scale, I’m surprised they haven’t moved away from top contact 3rd rail on safety grounds on the new units. Obviously weather concerns are effectively non existent, but for platform safety. I guess if/when they are full automated then PTI screens could be installed at stations to the same effectIt looks they do some runs, either testing or training:
Peter Mugridge
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They have platform edge doors on the curved platforms at Bastille on the Paris Metro ( Line 1 ), so it can be done. There is a width penalty, though, which is going to be problematic on the Glasgow Subway.
Falcon1200
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Is the third rail not always on the side away from the platform edge?
Buzby
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Always, and since switching from cable hauled to electric power there’s not been any publicly stated electrocutions either before the last revamp or subsequentl.
Falcon1200
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Thanks, so no real risk to the public (or to staff as no-one is on track when trains are running!)
It does seem to be the new normal that a new rolling stock batch is wholly manufactured and delivered before the first revenue-earning trip is made. The new DLR trains appear to be going the same way. I really wonder whether we will get to the stage where the trains have to go off for their first overhaul before any have been used in service!
Time was (nobody will believe this now) that the first new one, delivered on a Friday, would be in service the following Monday - an approach that airlines, buying a new type of plane they have not had before, still manage to achieve.
Buzby
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Funnily enough, prior to the ‘70’s modernisation shutdown, I spent 3 nights recording audio of trains in tunnels, sump pumps running and the wooden carriages rattling. Talking to the maintenance crew on a train after services ended for the night I asked if there was anything to see of the old cable days. They said there was, and we stopped between West Street and Shields Road - which was cut and cover under Scotland Street, by necessity a long straight section of both tunnels (we were on the Outer Circle).
Once stopped, we exited the front door down to the track, and there was a chamber that brought the cables down from the engine house above (then Howdens Engineering) and across to the Inner Circle also. To get to the chamber we had to step over the power rail, which was explained later as carrying the full traction current - the only advice was ‘don’t touch it’! I gather the voids were infilled as part of the 70’s modernisation scheme, so like the old Merkland Street station - nothing visible!
Blindtraveler
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The time this has taken to introduce these is truly disgusting and I wouldn't blame any Glasgow council tax payer for being very angry about it and I'm sure the subway passengers are even more cheesed off
bramling
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Is there that much reason for passengers to be cheesed off? The new trains don’t really offer that much of a step-change from the existing fleet, so as long as the current trains are able to provide a reasonable level of service (I realise they are starting to run into reliability issues, but nothing like Tyne & Wear Metro levels of trouble) then what’s the problem?
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