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GWR Brighton services axed from May timetable change

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I presume that's what those tins of 'Azera' or whatever it's called have in them? A powder, rather than granules. It isn't bad, certainly. But it's a long way short of beans freshly ground in a proper coffee machine behind the buffet counter! :(

That's one of them. Azera and the Starbucks one are powder, but Kenco also do one which I prefer, and that one is granules. It's about the nicest decaf going, far nicer than decaf ground which is often quite bland.
 
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We're deeply off on a tangent here, but Starbucks do the most beautiful looking teabags I've ever seen, it looks like a bag of pot purri (though thankfully tastes different!), pricey though it is.

Anyhow, perhaps a "Withdrawal of GWR Portsmouth - Cardiff catering" thread might be useful, mods?!

Finally, just to add that GWR do still employ the services of Rail Gourmet catering staff out of their Oxford depot, where unusually they also have their own, directly employed Customer Hosts based.
 

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Indeed, or you install something like a Costa Express machine (these are surprisingly good, I find the coffee from them nicer than from their stores) like some European countries* have done.

Thing is, if you're making a short journey you want to board and get a seat, and keep it. Having to go to the buffet first is a faff. Buffet (and for that matter bistro/restaurant) cars work better on very long distance runs. It's even questionable if there is any point in them on London to Manchester now (or e.g. London to Bristol), and on HS2 there'll be very little point at all for any service not going to Scotland.

The main services where onboard catering is likely to be viable now are London-Scotland including CS, the long XC runs and Paddington to Penzance. Those could even sustain restaurant facilities if done well (e.g. DB style Bistro food either for sit-in or at your seat - basically fancy microwave ready meals with e.g. fresh salad/bread added). For almost everything else, most people will buy before boarding.

The one big exception to all that is First Class breakfast on the way to a day's intensive work.

* Surprisingly, given that coffee is a big thing in most European countries, they will accept some utter garbage when travelling, such as in the Netherlands pretty much all coffee will be made with UHT "Koffiemelk" which is just vile. The UK it seems will no longer tolerate that unless it's free (as is expected in hotels). The benefit of using UHT is that it requires less care and cleaning of the machine, the downside is that it tastes so bad it might as well be off.
But then UHT ( or even evaporated) milk has been a ( if not the) norm in some cultures for years. German tins with congealing milk round the two punched holes….
 

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That's one of them. Azera and the Starbucks one are powder, but Kenco also do one which I prefer, and that one is granules. It's about the nicest decaf going, far nicer than decaf ground which is often quite bland.

concur.
 

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I didn't realise catering was still a thing on GWR to Portsmouth, I think ive seen the trolley once in a year!

Didn't realise the 'regular' Brighton to Southampton and Brighton to Portsmouth services weren''t running at the moment - but I've just checked and that appears to be the case.
Runs on Saturdays and I think Sundays. I didn't realise until I was out on a weekday.
 

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Trolleys on, I think, XC used to carry a poster saying exactly that, "proudly serving Starbucks" - the problem of course is that it was/is Starbucks instant, which rather numbs the appeal somewhat!

To be fair, as far as instant goes the "microgrind" instants are the best out there (they taste more like filter coffee because they contain very finely ground actual coffee as well as the granules). But yes, it does devalue the brand a bit.

Devalue the brand?! Starbucks? What on earth is there about Starbucks "coffee" that could be further degraded?
 

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Just a gentle reminder that this thread is to discuss GWR Brighton services axed from May timetable change

To discuss coffee preferences please create a thread in General Discussion; for any suggestions/ideas or other speculation please post in the Speculative Discussion section.
 

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Why don't GWR simply extend their Gatwick service down to Brighton, as a replacement?

It could be a non stop service between Gatwick and Brighton.
 

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Why don't GWR simply extend their Gatwick service down to Brighton, as a replacement?

It could be a non stop service between Gatwick and Brighton.
I think that would very much fall into the "out of scope" category!
 

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Why don't GWR simply extend their Gatwick service down to Brighton, as a replacement?

It could be a non stop service between Gatwick and Brighton.
Because it does not start at Bristol / Cardiff area?

Don't think it is about GWR getting to Brighton by any means possible - it's a about a long standing link from Brighton to the south west that will be removed and lost.

And the Brighton line is considered to be full up I think too.
 

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Why don't GWR simply extend their Gatwick service down to Brighton, as a replacement?

It could be a non stop service between Gatwick and Brighton.

It's unlikely to happen but would be welcome in the Redhill area - loss of direct Brighton trains was probably the most complained about part of the May 2018 timetable (once it worked). However, should someone do something positive for a change, then it should call at Three Bridges/Haywards Heath and Preston Park as a minimum. The new 769's (if they are ever introduced) would be able do it on third rail too
 

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Why don't GWR simply extend their Gatwick service down to Brighton, as a replacement?

It could be a non stop service between Gatwick and Brighton.

They struggle to get the Gatwick trains to Gatwick! Very common for them to be reversed at Redhill due to minor late running. Brighton sounds very ambitious!
 

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Not according to GTR - the problem is platforms at Brighton, which I guess effectively means the same thing
I mean currently in the WTT there is spare platform capacity at Brighton. Platform 3 is free pretty much all day. But if GTR ever go back to 8tph to Brighton, then there is no spare platform capacity at Brighton.

The issue with GWR as well is they have to weave to the fast lines at Balcombe Tunnel Junction or Tinsley Green, something any additional GTR services wouldn't have to do.
 

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It’s clearly DfT policy to remove these low frequency ‘off piste’ extensions, see SWR Salisbury to Bristol for another example.

So I don’t understand why there are now new proposals to reach Brighton by a completely different route. Even if it wasn't congested infrastructure, why would DfT ever give it approval?
 

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So I don’t understand why there are now new proposals to reach Brighton by a completely different route. Even if it wasn't congested infrastructure, why would DfT ever give it approval?
I'm not sure one person posting an idea or question on this forum thread counts as "proposals" does it?

Or do DfT civil servants without specialist rail knowledge float things here incognito to see if people who know about stuff reckon it's a runner? :lol:
 

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I'm not sure one person posting an idea or question on this forum thread counts as "proposals" does it?

Or do DfT civil servants without specialist rail knowledge float things here incognito to see if people who know about stuff reckon it's a runner? :lol:
It would probably be chaos after a few months if they did that…:D
 

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GWR obviously practicing today
The Great Malvern- Brighton service was reduced to a 2car 158 set

Used it from Bristol TM to Bradford on Avon lunchtime today, and it was standing in the aisles with all seats full, so clearly not being withdrawn due to lack of use.

Even the guard decided to walk along platform at Freshford, ready for the front door only stop at Avoncliff.
 

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GWR obviously practicing today
The Great Malvern- Brighton service was reduced to a 2car 158 set

Used it from Bristol TM to Bradford on Avon lunchtime today, and it was standing in the aisles with all seats full, so clearly not being withdrawn due to lack of use.

Even the guard decided to walk along platform at Freshford, ready for the front door only stop at Avoncliff.
How many of those people travelled to Brighton though? Removing the Brighton extension will free up a unit to run on the core GWR network.
 

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Used to use it a lot between Plymouth/Cornwall and Worthing and can't deny it was handy back then but even long before Covid it had it's problems with punctuality and seat reservations were very often voided. Most of my problems with it were being unable to board at Worthing on the evening service to Westbury because it was rammed, likely with passengers making short journeys. Also GWR knew that this and also even cancelling the service had little detrimental effect on long distance passengers as the 1726 Southrn off Worthing had a connection at Fratton.
What did it for me was the knock on effect from GWRs timetable change when most Plymouth services started to omit Westbury which left large gaps with connections to the Portsmouth/Brighton services from Westbury.
 

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Even when trains from Plymouth still had Westbury calls, the connection was invariably hopeless, with the hourly Portsmouth trains scheduled to leave at almost exactly the same time as the Plymouth train arrived. The undoubted charms of Westbury station pall if you have to keep waiting for an hour each time, especially in winter.
 

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The undoubted charms of Westbury station pall if you have to keep waiting for an hour each time, especially in winter.

Plus there is almost literally nothing to do nearby while you wait.

Once when I had an approx. hour break at Westbury I walked into the town and back, which itself takes the best part of an hour, and there is surprisingly little there once you do get there, basically one small row of shops and a supermarket as I recall. There is a pub relatively near to the station but I've not tried it.
 

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Used the GWR service to Brighton yesterday from Havant. Was very busy, lady next to me was travelling Bath to Brighton on an advance ( GWR advances still exist I see). The service was a 3 car 158, Brighton usually sees the 158. Weekdays mean a change if you are going from Brighton to Southampton.
 

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Given the astonished looks when a gwr 158 pulls into Chichester etc it seems many are clueless the service exists (existed)
 

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first time of trying this forum and am confused as how to enter a comment, so if this is in the wrong place perhaps someone can take me by the hand and lead me through it. My wife and I travel Chichester to Worcester (either station) to visit her mother and have always found the GWR 0946 service from Chichester the most convenient service. On our most recent trip we picked up a leaflet on the train urging travellers to write to their MPs to stop the withdrawal of this service. Whenever we have travelled the 2 or 3 carriages making up the service have been fairly full, and at times standing room only.
As you might have gathered I am not in favour of this proposal to with draw the service particularly as the alternative involves 3 changes which is not easy as a 70+ year old.
 

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first time of trying this forum and am confused as how to enter a comment, so if this is in the wrong place perhaps someone can take me by the hand and lead me through it. My wife and I travel Chichester to Worcester (either station) to visit her mother and have always found the GWR 0946 service from Chichester the most convenient service. On our most recent trip we picked up a leaflet on the train urging travellers to write to their MPs to stop the withdrawal of this service. Whenever we have travelled the 2 or 3 carriages making up the service have been fairly full, and at times standing room only.
As you might have gathered I am not in favour of this proposal to with draw the service particularly as the alternative involves 3 changes which is not easy as a 70+ year old.
Welcome to the forum - you have certainly got your post in the right place - and your point is well made in my view.

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