GWR Class 180 & 150/1 withdrawals

[BestWestern]

Apologies, I know there are pages and pages of this elsewhere, but the GWR cascade is spread across umpteen threads, so...

Could one of our informed members clarify the expected cascade timescale for the GWR 180s, I believe the first one has already, or is about to, depart?

And the same question regarding the 150/1s on the West fleet?

Thanks all

 

[D365]

Are Grand Central expecting to receive their first ex-GWR Class 180 soon?

 

[BestWestern]

Are Grand Central expecting to receive their first ex-GWR Class 180 soon?

I believe so...

 

[godfreycomplex]

There was an STP movement from Old Oak to Heaton a day or two ago (I forget exactly when) so it may well already be there.

 

[PudseyBearHST]

Apologies, I know there are pages and pages of this elsewhere, but the GWR cascade is spread across umpteen threads, so...

Could one of our informed members clarify the expected cascade timescale for the GWR 180s, I believe the first one has already, or is about to, depart?

And the same question regarding the 150/1s on the West fleet?

Thanks all

Doesn't really answer your question but to my disappointed waiting at Slough station, the 7:36 am from Slough to Oxford is no longer a class 180 but a Thames turbo instead

 

[reddragon]

Apologies, I know there are pages and pages of this elsewhere, but the GWR cascade is spread across umpteen threads, so...

Could one of our informed members clarify the expected cascade timescale for the GWR 180s, I believe the first one has already, or is about to, depart?

And the same question regarding the 150/1s on the West fleet?

Thanks all

In another thread, the 1st 180 went north a week ago

 

[59CosG95]

In another thread, the 1st 180 went north a week ago

This was 180108 IIRC.

 

[BestWestern]

Ah! Do we know when the rest of them are going?

 

[Clarence Yard]

Ah! Do we know when the rest of them are going?

December 2017. Their maintenance base, the HMF facility at the Oak, closes at Xmas so their last day in traffic will (on current plans) be either the 22nd or 23rd, depending on the engineering work on the 23rd and whether they are really needed that Saturday.

Three 150/1 units (currently 150101/2/24) go this autumn and the remainder (except 2 units) have to be with Northern by the end of January 2018. Those other 2 units go, as originally planned, in December 2018.

 

[jimm]

December 2017. Their maintenance base, the HMF facility at the Oak, closes at Xmas so their last day in traffic will (on current plans) be either the 22nd or 23rd, depending on the engineering work on the 23rd and whether they are really needed that Saturday.

That'll be the 22nd then.

It's odds on that the Saturday diagram for a 180 will be binned on the 23rd, if recent Christmases are anything to go by - the 180s have usually spent Christmas Eves parked up, replaced by Turbos that were full and standing well beyond Oxford.

My advice to anyone planning Christmas in the Cotswolds, Worcestershire or Herefordshire this year and travelling out of London on the 23rd would be to book early to make sure of a reserved seat on one of the HST duties.

 

[Parallel]

I wouldn't be surprised if GWR didn't run them on the Saturdays on the lead up to Christmas - FGW/GWR really don't appear to like the units very much. I've booked myself onto one next month as there was a reasonable first class advance going!
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Does anyone know if the three 150/1s are planned to go straight into service with Northern, or if they will be out of service for a while allowing a refurbishment and DDA mods to be fitted? The internal condition of some are very poor, and there's at least one unit that doesn't have any proper floor covering.

 

[superalbs]

The internal condition of some are very poor.

Excellent, they'll fit right in very snugly.

 

[IanXC]

In related 180 news, there are reports that Hull Trains have had 67s on hire for route learning duties - presumably for their 180s move from Old Oak Common to Crofton.

 

[jimm]

I wouldn't be surprised if GWR didn't run them on the Saturdays on the lead up to Christmas - FGW/GWR really don't appear to like the units very much. I've booked myself onto one next month as there was a reasonable first class advance going!

I can't see why the lone Saturday duty would be pulled earlier in December. I just wouldn't expect to see one on December 23rd, given the 180s have always knocked off early for Christmas in recent years.

On the 23rd, given the numbers likely to travel on the 0922 off Paddington in particular, an HST would probably be a far better train to lay on, but I fear it will be a six-car Turbo to Oxford, then a lone three-car set the rest of the way to Worcester.

As for FGW/GWR not liking them - if they had better mechanical reliability (thus far cheaper to maintain and operate) and were able to uncouple and couple quickly in service, FGW might well not have got rid of them in 2008-9.

They are well-suited to most of the jobs they currently do, covering off-peak and contra-peak services, though perhaps not in terms of passenger capacity for the 17.18 Paddington-Oxford semi-fast, but on this service the 125mph top speed allows it to run non-stop on the main line (ie fast line) as far as Maidenhead.

They also demonstrate why not everything operating express services out of Paddington needs to have eight, nine or 10 coaches in the formation morning, noon and night...

 

[D1009]

In related 180 news, there are reports that Hull Trains have had 67s on hire for route learning duties - presumably for their 180s move from Old Oak Common to Crofton.

What routes would they need to learn? I thought they worked to Old Oak and Crofton regularly anyway.

 

[jimm]

What routes would they need to learn? I thought they worked to Old Oak and Crofton regularly anyway.

Crofton hasn't been used by Hull Trains in recent years. Servicing is done at Old Oak by GWR, with basic overnight checks and refuelling carried out at Hull. With Old Oak Common closing at Christmas, the servicing work will move to Crofton, so the drivers need to re-learn the routes between there and Hull.

 

[D1009]

Crofton hasn't been used by Hull Trains in recent years. Servicing is done at Old Oak by GWR, with basic overnight checks and refuelling carried out at Hull. With Old Oak Common closing at Christmas, the servicing work will move to Crofton, so the drivers need to re-learn the routes between there and Hull.

Thanks, I hadn't realised they weren't using Crofton.

 

[trawler]

Yes Hull Trains are moving their engineering to Crofton. This will involve one unit leaving Hull every night (The evening arrival from Kings Cross to Beverley). The Hull driver will stay at Crofton and returning early morning. Sad they cannot use Botanic Gardens Depot but there just isn't room since the depot was significantly reduced. The two pit roads are used extensively by Northern at night for A-Exams and repairs.

 

[Erniescooper]

In another thread, the 1st 180 went north a week ago

180108 is moving north today as 5Z80 with a 12 o clock departure from OOC.

 

[leomartin125]

Today, GWR Class 180108 left Old Oak Common H.S.T.D. for Heaton T.M.D. - probably the longest run it's had in a long time! It's going to be converted into First Hull Trains, so TV fitted, buffet refurbished and a heart put on the side. Once complete it will then return to Old Oak Common under a new life. Let's hope it's more reliable for HT then it was for GWR.

 

[Rhydgaled]

Today, GWR Class 180108 left Old Oak Common H.S.T.D. for Heaton T.M.D. - probably the longest run it's had in a long time! It's going to be converted into First Hull Trains, so TV fitted, buffet refurbished and a heart put on the side. Once complete it will then return to Old Oak Common under a new life. Let's hope it's more reliable for HT then it was for GWR.

I thought the 5 GW 180s were all going to Grand Central, with one having already left so if 180108 has gone that leaves only 3 180s covering what I believe is 3 diagrams at GWR.

 

[D1009]

Today, GWR Class 180108 left Old Oak Common H.S.T.D. for Heaton T.M.D. - probably the longest run it's had in a long time! It's going to be converted into First Hull Trains, so TV fitted, buffet refurbished and a heart put on the side. Once complete it will then return to Old Oak Common under a new life. Let's hope it's more reliable for HT then it was for GWR.

It's made it to Newcastle, according to the Open Train Times map.

 

[spark001uk]

Today, GWR Class 180108 left Old Oak Common H.S.T.D. for Heaton T.M.D. - probably the longest run it's had in a long time!

Do you have the diagram for that? (Nothing on rtt)

 

[PHILIPE]

Do you have the diagram for that? (Nothing on rtt)

Diagrams aren't shewn on RTT. I presume you mean a train schedule rather than a diagram, the definition of which is the days duty for a Loco/unit or traincrew member

 

[swt_passenger]

I thought the 5 GW 180s were all going to Grand Central, with one having already left so if 180108 has gone that leaves only 3 180s covering what I believe is 3 diagrams at GWR.

It might just mean the Rosco is having a bit of a shuffle round, whether it's temporary or permanent will presumably become clear in due course.

GC could still get 5 more, (they've announced it often enough), but not necessarily the same 5 that GWR had?

 

[Roast Veg]

Don't forget that Hull Trains are having a full fleet replacement at some point, an extra 180 may allow them to step up their timetable in advance of that and then start transferring stock as the 802s are introduced.

 

[spark001uk]

Diagrams aren't shewn on RTT. I presume you mean a train schedule rather than a diagram, the definition of which is the days duty for a Loco/unit or traincrew member

Pedantic. There's always one isn't there!

 

[PHILIPE]

Pedantic. There's always one isn't there!

I am pedantic at times, but just trying to clear up confusion.

 

[43096]

It might just mean the Rosco is having a bit of a shuffle round, whether it's temporary or permanent will presumably become clear in due course.



GC could still get 5 more, (they've announced it often enough), but not necessarily the same 5 that GWR had?

No, the OP is confused. The fact it went to Heaton should be enough of a clue.

 

[387star]

Is this still running to plan ?

Will 150/9 stay a little longer? The centre cars are to be reformed as an additional 150/2 I believe


Are turbos cleared for Brighton and definitely coming to the Portsmouth line ?