GWR Cornish Night Riviera Sleeper and GWR Class 57 updates from Long Rock

Discussion in 'Traction & Rolling Stock' started by co-tr-paul, 8 Mar 2016.

  1. 83G/84D

    83G/84D Established Member

    Messages:
    4,398
    Joined:
    28 Oct 2011
    Location:
    Not too far from goongumpas treacle mine!
    Thank you for the explanation.
     
  2. Geoff DC

    Geoff DC Member

    Messages:
    120
    Joined:
    27 Jan 2018
    Location:
    Penzance

    OUCH - No HST available ??
     
  3. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    Only have a daily run out of 2 and none on depot in time for departure. Was going to happen at some point.
    Cab electrical problems.
    Empties going up 0915 from depot.
     
    Last edited: 14 May 2019
  4. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    57604 leading.
     
  5. Bungle965

    Bungle965 Established Member

    Messages:
    2,465
    Joined:
    2 Jul 2014
    Location:
    Blackley and Broughton/ Walsall South
    Have they come to an arrangement then with Hitachi about using the IEP's when the sleepers go kaput then?
    Sam
     
  6. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    Always been able to use an 802 as not part of deal with dft
    Don't know what latest is regarding 800/801s.
     
  7. Bungle965

    Bungle965 Established Member

    Messages:
    2,465
    Joined:
    2 Jul 2014
    Location:
    Blackley and Broughton/ Walsall South
    Ah! Yes of course it's the 800/801s that's the issue.
    Sam
     
  8. Geoff DC

    Geoff DC Member

    Messages:
    120
    Joined:
    27 Jan 2018
    Location:
    Penzance
    It wouldn't be too difficult to have a 2 + 5 (With Buffet) Castle GTI to substitute for the sleeper

    Class 800(1/2) commuter stock from PZ to London is taking the ****
     
  9. 43096

    43096 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,787
    Joined:
    23 Nov 2015
    Really? So you’re going to have an extra set sat around just on the off-chance the sleeper fails? Given that the sleeper is a basket-case financially, putting a load more cost in is the last thing needed.
     
  10. Geoff DC

    Geoff DC Member

    Messages:
    120
    Joined:
    27 Jan 2018
    Location:
    Penzance
    Yes Jimm (43096) - THe 2 + 5 (With Buffet) Castle GTI would be in regular service

    Hopefully, eventually, there will be some 2 + 8s as well to stand in for the Sushi plastic S&M 800 punishment stock
     
  11. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    It actually made a small profit last year ! Custom is growing year on year. I have to take my first trip on an iet on Friday...... !! :(
     
  12. 43096

    43096 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,787
    Joined:
    23 Nov 2015
    No chance.
     
  13. 43096

    43096 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,787
    Joined:
    23 Nov 2015
    A profit on what basis, though? After subsidy is included?
     
  14. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    Apparently so. I must admit though, the conversation was afew months back and I didn't pay attention as myself or our team try not to do politics; as we "only" prep the train !
     
  15. Sleepy

    Sleepy Member

    Messages:
    969
    Joined:
    15 Feb 2009
    Location:
    East Anglia
    Witnessed some very unhappy passengers at St Erth when it rolled into view ! Normally GWR will ring up the number given when you booked to offer hotel & day train next morning if travel on HST/IET is not acceptable. I gather this failure was not declared until aprox. 2030 so limiting time to contact everyone. Are any Cornish stations apart from Penzance / Truro staffed until up Sleeper departs does anyone know ? (also are Sleeper Lounge hosts at Penzance & Truro able to organise accommodation etc.)
     
  16. HamworthyGoods

    HamworthyGoods Member

    Messages:
    385
    Joined:
    15 Jan 2019
    Redruth is staffed until after Sleeper departure I think that’s the only one except for Penzance and Truro.
     
  17. irish_rail

    irish_rail Established Member

    Messages:
    1,103
    Joined:
    30 Oct 2013
    Location:
    Plymouth
    57603 been a dog for a while now. I think it's a safe bet the new franchise will come with new locos
     
  18. father_jack

    father_jack Member

    Messages:
    539
    Joined:
    26 Jan 2010
    I certainly don't think "Jimm" or "43096" are the same fiend :lol::lol::lol:
     
  19. Bungle965

    Bungle965 Established Member

    Messages:
    2,465
    Joined:
    2 Jul 2014
    Location:
    Blackley and Broughton/ Walsall South
    Without wanting to start up the rumour mill, I imagine it'll be 67s? DRS are attempting to essentially wash their hands of passenger work.
    Sam
     
  20. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    As mentioned way back, refurb designed to last 10 years so when next long term franchise is announced I expect it will be a requirement for new stock during the first quarter. That will be the time for newer traction. Until then, its GWR 57s and DRS rescue contract.
     
  21. Bletchleyite

    Bletchleyite Veteran Member

    Messages:
    44,240
    Joined:
    20 Oct 2014
    Location:
    Up and down the south WCML (mostly)
    When's that due? With the CAF Mk5 being the only viable option for that, the order will need to go in before the production line closes. Though I have a feeling TPE will end up lengthening their sets so it'll be open for a bit yet.
     
  22. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    Believe it or not but I currently can't remember when our current franchise ends..... :) ! I'm sure someone will post !
     
  23. broadgage

    broadgage Established Member

    Messages:
    1,039
    Joined:
    11 Aug 2012
    Location:
    Somerset
    A nice idea, but firstly the castle class HSTs are standard class only, and have no buffet.
    GWR have gone to a lot of trouble to try and convince us that buffets are obsolete and no longer wanted or needed. Re-instating a buffet on a 40 year old train would be seen as an admission of defeat.

    Interesting to see that I am not alone in considering the IETs as basically a commuter train and thus unsuited to inter city use.
     
  24. Puppetfinger

    Puppetfinger Member

    Messages:
    38
    Joined:
    18 May 2018
    Out of interest can Long Rock now accommodate 10 car IET's? Seem to recall in the past reading that the formation was just a bit too long.

    In last few weeks have travelled down on a 10 car unit which is (according to RTT at least) due to stable overnight in Long Rock. First time it split at Plymouth with the back half going to Laira, but on Tuesday the whole thing went to Penzance, and a quick look on RTT didnt show any workings back to Plymouth / Laira after its arrival, but showed the set going to Long Rock.
     
  25. co-tr-paul

    co-tr-paul Member

    Messages:
    847
    Joined:
    8 Mar 2016
    Location:
    Helston, Cornwall
    Either split or had cars sticking out of ends of B road - this is where fuelled/sleuced/water points are for IETs but only big enough for 5 car. Sidings are not big enough as block foot crossing/points so may have been cleaned on B ?
     
  26. pdeaves

    pdeaves Established Member

    Messages:
    2,686
    Joined:
    14 Sep 2014
    Location:
    Gateway to the South West
    March 2022 but there is an option for a further two years.
     
  27. Puppetfinger

    Puppetfinger Member

    Messages:
    38
    Joined:
    18 May 2018
    Ah didn't think of that, thanks. Been a while since I been down and stood on the car park wall and had a look!
     
  28. Bletchleyite

    Bletchleyite Veteran Member

    Messages:
    44,240
    Joined:
    20 Oct 2014
    Location:
    Up and down the south WCML (mostly)
    So I was on the seated sleeper last night to Truro (hello anyone else who might have been - there were only about 4 other people!)

    TBH I found the seats to be pretty decent. Having a double seat (is it ever busy enough that you don't for the overnight section?) it was much easier to curl up into a contorted but comfortable-ish sort-of-lying-down position (I might be big but being a climber I'm also quite bendy) and get a *bit* of kip than it is in a single seat in a First Class layout, certainly one with fixed armrests as I think they had before. I did consider a berth, but I probably wouldn't have got any more kip for my £70.

    I do recognise they won't be particularly good for those who can sleep sitting up in a reclined position though - I can't, I just can't get comfortable like that.

    It's also a VERY high quality job - probably the highest quality Mk3 refurb I've seen yet, and the lighting, if a little bright for an overnighter, is a really nice job - again the best I've seen in any Mk3.

    Well done whoever did them - was it in-house at Long Rock?
     
  29. 43096

    43096 Established Member

    Messages:
    5,787
    Joined:
    23 Nov 2015
    Wolverton.
     
  30. Clarence Yard

    Clarence Yard Member

    Messages:
    1,002
    Joined:
    18 Dec 2014
    No! The current franchise ends in March 2020.

    A further direct award for 2 years (+ up to a further 2 years) is being bid for right now.
     

Share This Page