GWR Intercity Express Train (IEP) initial diagrams & allocations

[Fredtheshred]

Are the ones not in service yet with FGW:-

800001/2

800316-21

802013/14 and 19-22

802102-14

Is this correct does anyone know ?

 

[Clarence Yard]

No, it's more than that. 800301/2/11/2/5 and 802004/12/5-8 are also not yet accepted. Of those, 800302/15 were due for hand over late this week/early next.

It usually takes about 5-6 weeks from Factory or arriving in this country for Hitachi to complete the acceptance process (fault free running, latest mods or software updates, etc.) and hand the unit over for passenger use.

 

[Fredtheshred]

Thanks Clarence Yard. Very helpful.

 

[HowardGWR]

Thanks Clarence Yard. Very helpful.

You said it for me too. CR is good for GWR PR!

 

[AM9]

Can anybody confirm whether 1A77 the Saturday Paddington (10:03) to Penzance (15:09) will be a HST or an 802 next Saturday? I will be travelling on it and would probably reserve seats if it was an 802 as it could then be a 5-car which might make seating a bit cosy. I notice that today, it started from Reading as 1C77 as the inbound 1A76 was 27m late arriving at Paddington. Incidentally, does anybody here know why?

 

[Mag_seven]

I notice that today, it started from Reading as 1C77 as the inbound 1A76 was 27m late arriving at Paddington. Incidentally, does anybody here know why?

1C77 10.03 Padd-Penzance was formed off of 1A75 05.40 from Plymouth this morning. 1A75 was terminated at Reading, which is why 1C77 started from Reading - I saw these trains at Reading this morning - it was an HST. Apparently it was due to poor railhead conditions in Devon.

 

[cactustwirly]

Can anybody confirm whether 1A77 the Saturday Paddington (10:03) to Penzance (15:09) will be a HST or an 802 next Saturday? I will be travelling on it and would probably reserve seats if it was an 802 as it could then be a 5-car which might make seating a bit cosy. I notice that today, it started from Reading as 1C77 as the inbound 1A76 was 27m late arriving at Paddington. Incidentally, does anybody here know why?

Because there isn't enough space at OOC anymore, there's also a booked weekday diagram that stables at Reading.

 

[Mag_seven]

Because there isn't enough space at OOC anymore, there's also a booked weekday diagram that stables at Reading.

Whilst that statement is correct, it's not why 1C77 started from Reading this morning.

 

[co-tr-paul]

No Long Rock start/finishes until December ??
Friday morning we were told by our DM 4 out of our 5 will be IET by end of October. Only the 0900 will be HST.
I know its changing constantly so nothing is set in stone yet.

 

[Clarence Yard]

He’s looking at a very old version of the cascade plan, long since superseded. Your DM is giving you out of date news. I will be having words on Monday to make sure old gen is not still being passed around.

Late delivery of both 800 and 802 units and the need to clear Swansea and OOC have forced a re-focus.

 

[CMRail]

He’s looking at a very old version of the cascade plan, long since superseded. Your DM is giving you out of date news. I will be having words on Monday to make sure old gen is not still being passed around.

Late delivery of both 800 and 802 units and the need to clear Swansea and OOC have forced a re-focus.

Are the 03/09 diagrams going over Monday clarence?

 

[Clarence Yard]

Post 1400 has the 24th September diagrams, before any STP alterations made in the last few days.

Basically everything in the cascade going forward after that has been binned and it has had to be reworked, all because of the latest delivery schedules that Hitachi issued in the last ten days.

Provisionally, 3 diagrams now cut over on 22/10/18, 1 on 05/11/18 and 3 more on 19/11/18. After that is still being worked on but another 3 are likely for the December timetable change date but that might include a couple of Bristol to Bristol diagrams temporarily reverting to HST to get enough IET units on diagrams that otherwise would have seen OOC.

 

[AM9]

Thanks for the responses and the info re today's starting short. I would be concerned if the Cornish Rivera was started from because of limited stabling capacity even though we're not in high season anymore.
So that I can understand the comment in post #1419, which diagram please is the Saturday 1A77 on (and my return trip on 6th October 1A83).

 

[njtruscott]

In the current plan will 1A77 and 1C92 be worked IET by week commencing 29 October? I have seat reservations booked months ago that only apply to an IET seating plan.

 

[FGW_DID]

Thanks for the responses and the info re today's starting short. I would be concerned if the Cornish Rivera was started from because of limited stabling capacity even though we're not in high season anymore.
So that I can understand the comment in post #1419, which diagram please is the Saturday 1A77 on (and my return trip on 6th October 1A83).

Both those services are on HST diagrams. (assuming you actually mean 1C77 the 1003 Paddington)

In the current plan will 1A77 and 1C92 be worked IET by week commencing 29 October? I have seat reservations booked months ago that only apply to an IET seating plan.

Both those services are on 802 (5 car) diagrams (booked 2x 5car)

However in both cases that is according to the current LTP diagrams. I haven't yet had sight of the STP diagrams covering those time periods so yet may change and could change on the day dependent on operational requirements.

 

[Chris172]

Hi which services are 800/802s from Worcester to hereford

 

[FGW_DID]

Just a quick scan, There are no booked 802 diagrams* on the Cotswolds.

I see 1W02 (off Worcester SH 19:32 to Hereford) is booked an 800(9).

Not had a chance to look through the 800(5)s yet.

*may be amended by weekly STP diagrams

 

[jimm]

AS FGW_DID says, there are no booked 802 diagrams on the Cotswold Line at the moment, but 802101 has turned up at least once.

On Monday last week it worked the 17.22 Paddington to Hereford. Until nine-car services to the West Country start, it seems to be being used as an honorary 800/3, so can probably turn up on any duty booked for a nine-car 800.

 

[Chris172]

Thanks for the replies, are most Paddington to Hereford trains class 800s now

 

[cambsy]

Just looked at real time trains and it look like 1C80 12.03 Paddington-Penzance is short formed 5 car 800/802 today, as was formed off 1A12 07.48 Paignton-Paddington, not from North Pole IEP depot , came into plat 4, where both 1C80 and 1C81 12.33 Paddington-Taunton are departing from, so looks like split the units, so looks to be cosy and probably no Pullman service, as not enough First Class seats and could be declassified train.

 

[The Prisoner]

Just looked at real time trains and it look like 1C80 12.03 Paddington-Penzance is short formed 5 car 800/802 today, as was formed off 1A12 07.48 Paignton-Paddington, not from North Pole IEP depot , came into plat 4, where both 1C80 and 1C81 12.33 Paddington-Taunton are departing from, so looks like split the units, so looks to be cosy and probably no Pullman service, as not enough First Class seats and could be declassified train.

I followed this with interest today as I am booked on it on Thursday and am making a journey down from the north west to try the Pullman service on the 1203. Tiger & RTT both have the service as an HST with 8 coaches, and Tiger specifically said Pullman was available with the staff feed.

I booked it an absolute age ago and have IEP formation reservations with a 1st Advance.

I did take the exact same service on the 31st August (family trip, standard - no Pullman intended!) and it was an HST with no air-con, no food and defo no pullman on that date, so hopefully we won't have a repeat, but I am prepared for some form of let down on Thursday!!!!

 

[The Prisoner]

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I followed this with interest today as I am booked on it on Thursday and am making a journey down from the north west to try the Pullman service on the 1203. Tiger & RTT both have the service as an HST with 8 coaches, and Tiger specifically said Pullman was available with the staff feed.

I booked it an absolute age ago and have IEP formation reservations with a 1st Advance.

I did take the exact same service on the 31st August (family trip, standard - no Pullman intended!) and it was an HST with no air-con, no food and defo no pullman on that date, so hopefully we won't have a repeat, but I am prepared for some form of let down on Thursday!!!!

To answer myself I am not sure RTT differentiates between HST and IET as all diagrams seem to show HST (?), but the Tiger feed shows 8 coaches, so I assume it is an IC125 HST and not an IET HST?!?!

 

[louis97]

Just looked at real time trains and it look like 1C80 12.03 Paddington-Penzance is short formed 5 car 800/802 today, as was formed off 1A12 07.48 Paignton-Paddington, not from North Pole IEP depot , came into plat 4, where both 1C80 and 1C81 12.33 Paddington-Taunton are departing from, so looks like split the units, so looks to be cosy and probably no Pullman service, as not enough First Class seats and could be declassified train.

1A12 was an HST (OC35) and formed 1C80. 1C81 was also an HST (LA72) formed off 1A13 1030 Bristol to Paddington 1214 with a slightly late start.

 

[FGW_DID]

All RTT shows is the timing load (e.g HST 125) this is not the booked traction! It will show HST regardless of whether it’s an HST or IET.

Tiger would be the more accurate as this will display the actual formation, so 7 or 8 coaches will be an HST.

 

[cambsy]

1C80 12.03 Paddington-Penzance is STP from North Pole, so is booked normally an IET, but thought this might happen with first day of new diagrams, as stock in wrong place, I got confused when I looked at RTT and it showed 12.03 at plat 4 and said at same time 12.33 Taunton at plat 4, so thought they had split units, as travelling tomorrow on 12.03 to Penzance will hope correct diagram is kept, if not just be HST day out, so not end of world.

 

[The Prisoner]

1C80 1203 Paddington - Penzance formed of nine coaches today. Was expecting 10 (2 x IET) or 8 (HST). Apologies for being dim....what is 9? One long IET set?

 

[father_jack]

1C80 1203 Paddington - Penzance formed of nine coaches today. Was expecting 10 (2 x IET) or 8 (HST). Apologies for being dim....what is 9? One long IET set?

"800 3xx" are one nine car long design. The 5 car units are "800 0xx" and are used in pairs normally.

Aside though, there may be troubles ahead, with a temporary manning agreement using catering staff to "lead" in the front 5 car set ending in a rather divisive and acrimonious manner..........

 

[D1009]

1C80 1203 Paddington - Penzance formed of nine coaches today. Was expecting 10 (2 x IET) or 8 (HST). Apologies for being dim....what is 9? One long IET set?

Tiger now shows 1C80 as reservations for coach D in coach F. This usually indicates a short formed or misformed HST. It does not indicate the number of coaches.

 

[JN114]

1C80 1203 Paddington - Penzance formed of nine coaches today. Was expecting 10 (2 x IET) or 8 (HST). Apologies for being dim....what is 9? One long IET set?

802101

 

[Siemens Staines]

802101 seems to be the only IET involved with the two new 10-car 802 diagrams that started yesterday, the other one being an HST. I was just wondering if there was a platform length issue with some of the smaller stations served by 1J93 1807 Paddington - Frome? Perhaps not and its just coincidental.