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Has there ever been a direct rail service from Far North to Edinburgh (or Glasgow)?

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Ah, I see now. I agree; after Inverness, I'd call at Aviemore, Kingussie, Pitlochry, Dunkeld and Perth. Perhaps even Blair Atholl too.

Ye, especially now the services will be hourly between Perth and Inverness by 2018/2019, I wouldn't think Blair Atholl or Dunkeld would need a call (otherwise prove me wrong ;) ) though as I'd think they would be served by the more frequent services. Just a case of speeding up where you can like going non-stop from Perth to Haymarket. It's the same as the Highland Chieftain calling at the likes of Northallerton and Grantham etc, would be an absolute nightmare!
 
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Why use an HST anyway. There's no sections of line passed for the speed they are capable of as far as I know. If there was a Voyager would be more suitable, especially a 221 which tilts.
As far as closing stations goes, if they have passing loops or sidings they need to be kept open to assist altered pathing in the case of late running.
Since the speed on a single line is governed by the speed of the slowest train on each section any time gained by running faster could be lost by longer waiting times at crossing points.
The answer is to put in double track throughout. The resultant speeding up of services and running of additional trains will bring in the customers to eventually off-set the cost of doubling.
 

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The answer is to put in double track throughout. The resultant speeding up of services and running of additional trains will bring in the customers to eventually off-set the cost of doubling.
Perhaps not feasible, despite how great it'd be. But the two things the line needs the most are both loops - the Lentran Long Loop® from Clachnaharry to Clunes (near Kirkhill), and the loop at Kinbrace.
 

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Why use an HST anyway. There's no sections of line passed for the speed they are capable of as far as I know. If there was a Voyager would be more suitable, especially a 221 which tilts.

Mainly because Scotrail are inheriting 27 sets made up of 4 and 5 cars. It would mainly provide not only a direct service to the Capital, but provide passengers with a better journey experience and slightly faster times simply not achievable with a Class 158. It's the same as asking why aren't the Class 156s on the Far North when the maximum line speed is 75mph anyways?

The acceleration will be like a rocket (not literally ;) ) with 2 MTU Class 43s with 5 coaches sandwiched between. Could you imagine a Class 158 being used for a 7 hour+ trip from Far North to the Central Belt when there's HSTs available? Similar to that of the Highland Chieftain, just simply providing an enhanced direct service, even if it can't use maximum speed. It gives First Class provision which would be a pull factor for Commuters and Tourists alike for such a journey.

On the Voyager side of things, I'd agree with you about the tilt, that would be a solution to line speed problems. But the Voyagers themselves don't meet the Scottish Government's Franchise Expectations (something along those lines) and they are horrible units (well, the XC ones) and my ego would say they are not welcome North of Edinburgh, let alone Inverness, Aberdeen and Dundee <D
 

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They had a sleeper from Glasgow/Edinburgh to Inverness??? How long did that take?

Southbound 6 hours (to Glasgow) with an hour at Perth, Northbound 5 hours. But it connected for the Far North in both directions.
Using the Rose Street curve was for the convenience of mails rather than passengers! (In fact, IIRC there were through BGs)
And in its last years (after I last used it) it reached Glasgow in time for the 0600 Mallaig, instead of passing it in on Cowlairs incline...
 

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The big problem with HSTs is having a very powerful locomotive on each end instead of a power car full of passengers. Wasteful on fuel also with a short set, even with one engine shut down still dragging extra unnecessary weight.
With double tracking not being feasible throughout, more loops with trailing sidings each way are the answer. This allows not only passing but overtaking at the same time, perhaps both ways. Such a system works very well in Malaysia on their 327 mile long single track branch line as well as on their main lines in the past, most now being double track, where the old three trains a day each way, plus freight, has now become about 4 times that and all fully booked in advance sometimes with more trains being ordered to increase capacity. 4 trains passing/crossing/overtaking at one station on a single track either side was quite a common occurrence at many stations, some of which only had a single platform! The loops were often large enough to hold two full length trains.
Travelling on the local passenger service is/was a great way to see the scenery and all the other trains, especially on the older trains, some of which had no doors or windows!
 

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Southbound 6 hours (to Glasgow) with an hour at Perth, Northbound 5 hours. But it connected for the Far North in both directions.
Using the Rose Street curve was for the convenience of mails rather than passengers! (In fact, IIRC there were through BGs)
And in its last years (after I last used it) it reached Glasgow in time for the 0600 Mallaig, instead of passing it in on Cowlairs incline...

For many years there was a Euston - Lairg through News/ Mails train (something like 2000 from London IIRC).
 

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If I remember under National Express ScotRail the last train of the day at Wick came from Edinburgh and went via Aviemore. There was no corresponding southbound service though.
 

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I remember back in 2000 there used to be a direct Edinburgh - Wick service, remember being on it and it was a single Class 158 all the way! :mad:
 

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Wash your mouth out! We're not closing that!

Of course you'd support the closure of Scotscalder...the entire community of Altnabreac would be rubbing their hands together at the demise of their rival... :lol:
--- old post above --- --- new post below ---
There's an account of the Second World War operations here, which says sleepers were provided north of Inverness on these trains.

http://www.fofnl.org.uk/newsletters/0109/010921.html

Thanks jimm that article is very interesting!

The FOFNL's (Friends of the Far North Line) next newsletter will be online soon. Stay tuned.
 

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Southbound 6 hours (to Glasgow) with an hour at Perth, Northbound 5 hours. But it connected for the Far North in both directions.
Using the Rose Street curve was for the convenience of mails rather than passengers! (In fact, IIRC there were through BGs)
And in its last years (after I last used it) it reached Glasgow in time for the 0600 Mallaig, instead of passing it in on Cowlairs incline...

Went on a school trip on it on the early 1970's. Glasgow - Inverness in the seated sleeper coaches. Inverness - Kyle. Kyle - Mallaig by ferry. Mallaig - Glasgow.

Long day!
 
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