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[First class]

Hi, can anyone tell me what service 1Z29 is please?

Im hoping it's the beds going North...

Thanks

 

[EE Type 3]

Hi, can anyone tell me what service 1Z29 is please?

Im hoping it's the beds going North...

Thanks

Won't be the beds, as they run as 1SXX north and 1AXX south to my memory.

Z is normally a special working, class 1 means it'll be express. Not that much help though, sorry.

 

[jamesontheroad]

I don't think it's a sleeper, they move under codes starting 1Sxx. 1Zxx would be a special (that exact code has been used before on charters and railtours).

Otherwise:

1xxx = Express
2xxx = Stopping
3xxx = Empty Coaching Stock
4xxx = Freight
5xxx = Empty Coaching Stock
6xxx = Freight
7xxx = Freight
8xxx = Freight
9xxx = Eurostar

 

[driver9000]

Definitely not the sleeper which runs as 1Sxx and 1Mxx. 1Zxx denotes a special or charter and will be used for different trains each time the code is used.

 

[eos]

<quote>Hi, can anyone tell me what service 1Z29 is please?</quote>

Could be a railtour- most likely steam with that number , and a lot of the 'Tornado' tours are 1Z29...

 

[jacknottm]

Its not showing for any service train, and the only charter I know of today is the mersey mancunian, so may be that?

Jack

 

[MCR247]

I don't think it's a sleeper, they move under codes starting 1Sxx. 1Zxx would be a special (that exact code has been used before on charters and railtours).

Otherwise:

1xxx = Express
2xxx = Stopping
3xxx = Empty Coaching Stock
4xxx = Freight
5xxx = Empty Coaching Stock
6xxx = Freight
7xxx = Freight
8xxx = Freight
9xxx = Eurostar

Arent 9xxx used by XC HSTs? If they're not did they used to be?

 

[Pumbaa]

Yes - Branson managed to wangle some 9xxx for the XC routes to make them more important...

 

[43034 The Black Horse]

Yes - Branson managed to wangle some 9xxx for the XC routes to make them more important...

None are 9s anymore though....

 

[TDK]

Hi, can anyone tell me what service 1Z29 is please?

Im hoping it's the beds going North...

Thanks

Any train with the headcode XZXX is a late pathing train for instance if I wanted a train to go empty stock say from point A to Point B and there is not a scedule for it NR would allocate the headcode asd 5Z?? 5 being empty stock. As your service is 1Z?? this will be a late entered express passenger move.

 

[37402]

Any train with the headcode XZXX is a late pathing train for instance if I wanted a train to go empty stock say from point A to Point B and there is not a scedule for it NR would allocate the headcode asd 5Z?? 5 being empty stock. As your service is 1Z?? this will be a late entered express passenger move.

Otherwise known as STP/VSTP.
Short Term Planning / Very Short Term Planning

 

[1D53]

Two 2Z29's though today, one from Paignton to Newton Abbot and one from Kingston to Barnes. No class 1 though.

 

[Ben]

Gents, how do you look up these?

A case of access to Trust?

 

[TEW]

Code Z's aren't always planned at the last minute, they are often used when there are engineering works and a train is split in the middle by a bus, one part retaining the original headcode and the other getting a Z.

 

[class 313]

Tomorrow

1Z29 is the following:

1936 Hanborough - Worcester Shrub Hill
2030 London Waterloo - Guildford

 

[Chilled Phill]

9xxx = Eurostar

Aren't Pendolinos using this heasdcode as well?

 

[me123]

No, but some XC Scotland-England services are. It was Virgin that got the priority headcodes for the trains in the first place, though (several years ago now) and they were/are mainly longer distance services (such as Dundee and Glasgow-Penzance runs). I don't know what services (if any) have the class 9 headcode.

For the Caledonian Sleeper headcodes, see here.

 

[Chilled Phill]

No, but some XC Scotland-England services are. It was Virgin that got the priority headcodes for the trains in the first place, though (several years ago now) and they were/are mainly longer distance services (such as Dundee and Glasgow-Penzance runs). I don't know what services (if any) have the class 9 headcode.

For the Caledonian Sleeper headcodes, see here.

Ah, right.

Serves me right for citing the internet.

Thanks for the clarification, me123.

 

[HSTfan!!!]

Aren't Pendolinos using this heasdcode as well?

Virgin and crosscountry commonly use class 9 headcodes... as explained above. The former 0700 Cardiff to Edinburgh was a class 9 iirc....

As far as 1Z29 is concerned it could be anything, in my experience it could either be a special i.e a railtour as such, it could be a replacement unit for a broken down or late running service... for example if you had a milford haven to manchester service delayed in swansea on a headcode 1W29, it might be restarted from cardiff on time as 1Z29... just purely an example. Can also be a test train etc.

 

[1D53]

Only Crosscountry used Class 9 headcodes and they were withdrawn in December in favour of standard Class 1 headcodes.

 

[Ilove165's]

Aren't class 3 headcodes used for RHTT trains aswell?

Sam

 

[driver9000]

Yes RHTTs run as class 3. Some ECS moves that need higher priority can also be booked to run as class 3.

 

[me123]

Only Crosscountry used Class 9 headcodes and they were withdrawn in December in favour of standard Class 1 headcodes.

That's true; I just checked and 9V47 GLC-PGN is now 1V47. Didn't know they'd dropped them but I honestly could never see that much benefit in having them unless the trains were severely delayed. In fact, because it's a priority headcode, it could very well have caused a few delays to other services.

 

[class 313]

In fact, because it's a priority headcode, it could very well have caused a few delays to other services.

Your point?

1*** trains can/do delay 2*** trains.

 

[Pumbaa]

Your point?

1*** trains can/do delay 2*** trains.

His point? That 9*** trains could easily delay 1*** trains, that were in fact the same priority. 2*** aren't 1*** trains for a reason

 

[me123]

Your point?

1*** trains can/do delay 2*** trains.

I just remember several times at Edinburgh Waverley arriving early and delaying several other trains as we crossed over to Platform 1 (due to the engineering works). And I'm sure that happened elsewhere.

 

[33056]

Aren't Pendolinos using this heasdcode as well?

No, Pendos have always been class 1 (class 5 when ECS)

Regarding 1Z29, as of this morning there were 28 of them in the system for a variety of dates and journeys.

Being a dinosaur, I can remember when a class 9 was an unfitted freight. I even once caused consternation by re-describing a Speedlink train heading towards the Southern Region as a class 9, as it had a brake van on the rear when it passed me - with side lamps; at the time unfitted trains were banned on the SR. The guard must have thought that seeing he had a nice van on the rear to ride in, it should have side lights and, bear in mind that it started from a yard in a region that still ran class 9s, there were plenty of them lying around

I also don't subscribe to the nonsense of giving "priority" headcodes to certain TOC's services / types of trains. Any signaller worthy of the description should be able to regulate trains correctly with no further aid than the use of TRUST lineups and / or a simplifier where needed. I can well remember the howls of derision that greeted the decision to give the "Pullman" trains on the WCML a 1Pxx description around 1990, to differentiate them from "ordinary" class 1s.

 

[Tom C]

for example if you had a milford haven to manchester service delayed in swansea on a headcode 1W29, it might be restarted from cardiff on time as 1Z29... just purely an example.

Not sure about that!

Maybe different TOC's use different systems but down here if a train has a SSO/NTSO or is started short it still uses the same train reporting number and is simply cancelled at the stations it doesn't call at.

Z's are often used on FCC when the Thameslink service is split in two owing to service disruption. As drivers are always displaced they generally allocate Z train reporting numbers rather than try and keep to the working timetable.

 

[EE Type 3]

Aren't class 3 headcodes used for RHTT trains aswell?

Sam

Some mail trains used to run as class 3 also, 90mph limited. EWS are looking at being able to run class 3 freights with 92s, tweeked to do 90mph.

 

[Ilove165's]

Some mail trains used to run as class 3 also, 90mph limited. EWS are looking at being able to run class 3 freights with 92s, tweeked to do 90mph.

So DB want to tweak the 92s to do another 3mph? Most pointless mod ever?

Sam