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In the case of SpaceX, they appear to be using natural gas - https://www.theverge.com/2021/1/22/22245363/spacex-texas-oil-company-drill-natural-gas-lone-star

There has been talk about green production of methane, but this is mostly associated with having a fuel facility on Mars to avoid having to carry fuel for the round trip. On Earth it’s still too expensive to consider doing at scale compared to using natural gas.
The case is as I understand as you said but with the growing ability to source green gas from biogas sources, which whilst common in Europe are rare in the US. Many UK farmers have biogas tanks and make a lot of cash from them. We also collect methane from waste sites via vent pipes. The US just doesn't very much, but it's starting.

Traditional rocket fuel is very dirty chemical / kerosene combos.

There's not much I can do to my house as I don't own it, but my housing association started taking measures to improve energy efficiency a good few years ago. Re-doing the cavity wall and loft insulation was the first step, followed by new double-glazing. The next step was to install solar thermal panels on the roof, a measure that had an instant effect on the electricity bill. A year or so later, they installed a new heating system with an air-source heat pump; this further reduced the energy bill. Most of the lights in the house are on low-energy bulbs, apart from the fluorescent light in the kitchen and one single incandescent bulb in a cupboard that only gets used for a few seconds at a time; the former is on its way out and will be replaced soon, while the latter will be replaced when it decides to blow (I'm not chucking out a perfectly good bulb when it's rarely used).

As for my diet, I'm still a meat-eater, but I do eat far less of it than I used to, and have done over the last 20 years or so. Having previously shared a house with a vegetarian and two vegans, I found it quite easy to adapt meals that I would normally make with meat such as mince, first by using Quorn mince or similar. More recently, I have been experimenting with different lentils as a substitute. Having said that, nothing beats a big plateful of mince'n'tatties! :)
Lentil Dahl is so easy, as is chickpea curry. Mushrooms are another option and other beans & pulses, Spices and flavour are the key and not trying to replicate a meat meal. Quorn burgers / sausages are enough to put anyone off!

I also switched beef to venison. Much healthier, caught locally as pests to control numbers and it's hard to tell the difference.
 

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Looks like the idiots with nothing better to do are blocking junctions on the M25 in the apparent name of climate change, but actually causing more pollution by their actions. Shame they don't have a brain cell between them, causing upset & disruption to normal folk going about their daily business.
 

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Looks like the idiots with nothing better to do are blocking junctions on the M25 in the apparent name of climate change, but actually causing more pollution by their actions. Shame they don't have a brain cell between them, causing upset & disruption to normal folk going about their daily business.

It's one thing trying to get attention for the cause, it's another trying to win support. This morning was a classic example of that ongoing failure to understand the difference.
 

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Looks like the idiots with nothing better to do are blocking junctions on the M25 in the apparent name of climate change, but actually causing more pollution by their actions. Shame they don't have a brain cell between them, causing upset & disruption to normal folk going about their daily business.
According to the BBC, one of the junctions they're blocking is J14 "for Heathrow Terminal 5". Might I suggest that, if they wanted to properly mess up access to Heathrow, they should've blocked J14a?
 

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Looks like the idiots with nothing better to do are blocking junctions on the M25 in the apparent name of climate change, but actually causing more pollution by their actions. Shame they don't have a brain cell between them, causing upset & disruption to normal folk going about their daily business.
Annoying yes, polluting probably but not as bad as the UK Government deferring home heating & insulation standards endlessly since 2017, bankrupting small businesses last year with their unworkable home insulating programme and still having nowt in place!

We have the worst energy efficiency in housing stock anywhere, in a cold country with hot summers and are allegedly going for zero carbon?

Normal working people shouldn't have to live in houses that cost so much to heat and power.

Anyways, if that traffic was electrically powered there would be no pollution going on!
 

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Looks like the idiots with nothing better to do are blocking junctions on the M25 in the apparent name of climate change, but actually causing more pollution by their actions. Shame they don't have a brain cell between them, causing upset & disruption to normal folk going about their daily business.
That what the problem in Western, there is a serious disconnect between "middle class climate activists" and the general public. From Greenpeace to Extinction Rebellion, the crack is increasing, not merging.
 

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It's one thing trying to get attention for the cause, it's another trying to win support. This morning was a classic example of that ongoing failure to understand the difference.

That's the point that should be highlighted over and over again. This is not peaceful protesting, this is disruptive & anti-social behavior and should be treated as such. Unfortunately somewhere down the line, disruptive & anti-social behavior seems to have become the norm and it is highly detrimental to the cause they say they support

Annoying yes, polluting probably but not as bad as the UK Government deferring home heating & insulation standards endlessly since 2017, bankrupting small businesses last year with their unworkable home insulating programme and still having nowt in place!

We have the worst energy efficiency in housing stock anywhere, in a cold country with hot summers and are allegedly going for zero carbon?

Normal working people shouldn't have to live in houses that cost so much to heat and power.

Anyways, if that traffic was electrically powered there would be no pollution going on!

Whilst you have valid points there, I fail to see what that has to do with sitting in the road blocking traffic
 

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That's what their demo is about and that group's aims

As Extinction Rebellion and others have shown with their patronising "do what I say" attitude, they have totally failed in their alleged aims in that case. Normal people going about their normal lives see them as nothing more than middle-class idiots with nothing better to do than disrupt the lives of normal people. They are no better than some of the other nonsensical protests we have seen over the last 12-18 months
 

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That what the problem in Western, there is a serious disconnect between "middle class climate activists" and the general public. From Greenpeace to Extinction Rebellion, the crack is increasing, not merging.
Not true. The gap between the squeezed middle classes and the working classes is the smallest it has ever been. The pay & wealth of middle classes in many professions is now little different to a skilled working class person.

The gap between the rich and poor is at the biggest it has ever been, but the proportion of 'rich' is very small now.

If those people didn't demonstrate & complain, normal people would be ignored whether you like their tactics or not.

As Extinction Rebellion and others have shown with their patronising "do what I say" attitude, they have totally failed in their alleged aims in that case. Normal people going about their normal lives see them as nothing more than middle-class idiots with nothing better to do than disrupt the lives of normal people. They are no better than some of the other nonsensical protests we have seen over the last 12-18 months
Would you strike for better pay, safer working conditions and demonstrate about it? Railway staff are particularly good at that! The public really love that . . .not!

Most normal people support Extinction Rebellion's aim. They are just very annoyed that they are having to cause chaos because the government & some businesses are not doing much about it.
 

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They don't 'have to cause chaos'. You don't seem to understand that chaos is counterproductive to the cause.
So train drivers go on strike because of a safety issue. I have never observed any support from the passengers finding no trains running, just scathing comments.

What is really worse, a bit of traffic disruption on rammed roads because everyone is driving now instead of going by train or climate breakdown, hmm, not a tricky question is it!

I may not 'like' what they are doing, but I can't really blame them either.
 

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My Contribution: We’re awaiting the installation of PV solar panels and batteries. The final sums haven’t been done yet but we have a large south-facing roof and will install as many batteries as we could realistically charge. Not sure yet about ground source technology but as soon as it could replace our gas boiler, we’ll be doing so.

Next year I will need a new car for retired life - I shall choose the greenest option that suits my needs. If it has batteries (not yet a given) I’ll be charging it using the stored solar power when at home.

I’m also looking at rainwater storage and re-use systems for non-drinking water.

In terms of coping with the extreme weather resulting from climate change: air-con via an air-source heat pump will not only keep us cool but it will potentially use our solar battery power. It may also be able to heat our kitchen more efficiently than gas-powered under-floor heating. Not sure about that yet.
Unless your mileage is very low. You will need a very large roof and an awful lot of batteries to charge an EV from solar. You will also not be able to go out from October to March.
Normally if your mileage is that low I'd suggest an e bike and set of waterproofs but in Essex it would get nicked.
 

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What is really worse, a bit of traffic disruption on rammed roads because everyone is driving now instead of going by train or climate breakdown, hmm, not a tricky question is it!

I may not 'like' what they are doing, but I can't really blame them either.

As they are not climate protesters but just arrogant & disruptive idiots, your point is really a mute one. As @nlogax stated, chaos is counterproductive
 

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Unless your mileage is very low. You will need a very large roof and an awful lot of batteries to charge an EV from solar. You will also not be able to go out from October to March.
Normally if your mileage is that low I'd suggest an e bike and set of waterproofs but in Essex it would get nicked.
I achieve 50% of my annual mileage on solar, 10k pa
 

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The report i read said they had been arrested, do you have information to the contrary?

Maybe some of them were eventually but one of the videos I saw was the Police just standing around letting them get on with things.
 

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Not true. The gap between the squeezed middle classes and the working classes is the smallest it has ever been. The pay & wealth of middle classes in many professions is now little different to a skilled working class person.
You may not know what I mean, the quotes l marked means that they are not actually progressive people, they may joined them just feel cool.
In fact, the middle class doesn't really exist and its existence is only used to divide the public.
 

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6.5kW SE facing. A DNS request will always allow you 6kW, instead of 4kW without a request. My system simply limits export to 6kW
So what you are saying is that you're pv system is exporting enough electricity to the grid to offset the cost of 5000 miles of EV use of grid mix electricity which is largely generated through fossil fuels? I'd love see the calculations for this!
 

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So what you are saying is that you're pv system is exporting enough electricity to the grid to offset the cost of 5000 miles of EV use of grid mix electricity which is largely generated through fossil fuels? I'd love see the calculations for this!
My annual generation exceeds my total consumption.

My EV is either charged off solar or at night when electric is renewables only. Most of the CO2 emissions happen during evening peaks or on low wind days.

I also run my appliances at night or off solar too and have a low wattage kettle to use a high proportion of solar too.

Not complicated or in need of any calcs!
 
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My annual generation exceeds my total consumption.

My EV is either charged off solar or at night when electric is renewables only. Most of the CO2 emissions happen during evening peaks or on low wind days.

I also run my appliances at night or off solar too and have a low wattage kettle to use a high proportion of solar too.

Not complicated or in need of any calcs!
I hate to disappoint you but Gas Turbine power generation alone in the UK very rarely drops below 10GW and never below 5 GW even at night. Electricity is never renewable only. It reached a peak during Spring 2020 of around 47% but has fallen back since despite a small increase in peak capacity.
How do you charge your car through a 13 amp socket?
 

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I hate to disappoint you but Gas Turbine power generation alone in the UK very rarely drops below 10GW and never below 5 GW even at night. Electricity is never renewable only. It reached a peak during Spring 2020 of around 47% but has fallen back since despite a small increase in peak capacity.
How do you charge your car through a 13 amp socket?
I have a 7.2kW smart charger that harvests spare solar power in the day or sectors in the night when CO2 emissions are minimal.

The night grid isn't very clean at the moment due to low wind speeds, but luckily I have plenty of solar. In the winter higher wind speeds tend keep night power much cleaner. There have been a few periods and one whole day earlier this year when the grid was 100% CO2 free. That occurrence will only increase with time as Dogger Bank comes online.

Scotland is CO2 free most of the time and Kent is much of the time as well. West Midlands is the dirtiest area.
 

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A burning question that I wanted to raise is how people are going to be dealing with climate change, which is a very real risk as seen by the horrendous heatwave across America and Canada.

How are you going to adapt your lifestyle and way of life to suit the changing climate, it's inevitable that storms are going to get worse and that it'll get hotter etc.

How are you going to handle it?
It's out of our hands in UK. The climate industry has frightened young school children who now think the land will burn and the sea will boil. I have listened to young children say that and draw illustrative pictures. They covid and climate industies are scaring spoiling many childrens' lives. How many academics are funded by unelected pressure groups I wonder.
 

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I hate to disappoint you but Gas Turbine power generation alone in the UK very rarely drops below 10GW and never below 5 GW even at night.

Indeed - you can check the information on the national grid's carbon intensity data which in fact shows that for the South of England (which I'm assuming is the most relevant area for @reddragon) has on average been about 250g CO2e/kWh during overnight periods - slightly worse than it's 3 year average, and a fair bit worse than the whole UK grid. (It also doesn't turn up our apparent carbon free days - although there are quite a few periods of missing data)

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How do you charge your car through a 13 amp socket?

Quite easily (though slowly)! My parent's Outlander came with a dedicated charging cable which plugs into a 13A socket at one end and has a large brick with all the necessary charging step/up equipment before a length of cable which runs to the plug end, something like this. To facilitate this, we've got a simple 13A socket in a weatherproof enclosure just inside the porch, a short external rated extension lead (so the brick can be kept under the car where it won't get wet or in the way), with an isolator switch inside.
 

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It's out of our hands in UK. The climate industry has frightened young school children who now think the land will burn and the sea will boil. I have listened to young children say that and draw illustrative pictures. They covid and climate industies are scaring spoiling many childrens' lives. How many academics are funded by unelected pressure groups I wonder.
Children are frightened by the shear stupidity of the adults destroying their future. Its the deniers and those with their heads buried in the sand that are the problem.

The Welsh Government aren't starting the abandonment of Fairbourne next year for no reason; the Peninsular Transport Group aren't assessing how long they can maintain a route via Dawlish before diverting it for a laugh!

London has had multiple flooding events in the last 2 years not only beyond the capability of the current drainage system but beyond any viable future upgrade solutions.

I know that anti-vaxers have to actually die of covid before the accept it's real, but deniers will destroy the whole planet and still not accept they were wrong.

Indeed - you can check the information on the national grid's carbon intensity data which in fact shows that for the South of England (which I'm assuming is the most relevant area for @reddragon) has on average been about 250g CO2e/kWh during overnight periods - slightly worse than it's 3 year average, and a fair bit worse than the whole UK grid. (It also doesn't turn up our apparent carbon free days - although there are quite a few periods of missing data)

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There is a record low in wind thus dirtier electricity at the moment. You will see this is big electricity price increases.
 
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