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I'm currently on the Night Riviera to London.

Around 5 of us in this carriage and I'd say about 12 in the other seated carriage. There was a passenger who had to be removed at Exeter, so originally 6 in here. I'd say around half on from PZ, a couple on at Truro and the rest at Plymouth.

The journey down to Penzance last week was pretty similar loading wise, but all but around 4 other passengers were rowdy veg treating it as a rail tour...
 
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Travelled into Paddington this morning on what in is in theory a peak time GWR service. There must have been about 10 to 20 people max on the train. Reading was deserted when it used to be packed at the time I passed through. This cannot continue.
 

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I didn't catch a train yesterday but I did observe trains while at the York Tap; the loadings were extremely worrying.

Yes, a small number of trains, catering for a particular market where the train is more attractive than the car, are busy. But make no mistake: this is very much the exception.

My LNER train out of King's Cross on Sunday was lightly loaded despite being "sold out" in Standard Class, with only 1st class fares available. Not a single person was in Coach C. I walked past many empty rows and got a table to myself in Coach B (complying with Government guidance but not complying with LNER instructions, which was to sit in my designated seat at a table which was already occupied by 2 people; where two sets of guidance contradict each other, I will comply with the guidance that makes the most sense). To make the situation worse, there was only one train per hour, and normally there'd be two. I suspect many people were put off by the 1st class fare and used another mode of transport.
 

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Not a single person was in Coach C.

If that was a 9 car set, C and J are always left unreserved at the moment. I'm not sure what the equivalent is on a 5 or 10 car set, but I'd guess C is common to all three cases.
 

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If that was a 9 car set, C and J are always left unreserved at the moment. I'm not sure what the equivalent is on a 5 or 10 car set, but I'd guess C is common to all three cases.
Are there still any unreserved coaches on LNER when they currently state you must have a reservation?
 

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I didn't catch a train yesterday but I did observe trains while at the York Tap; the loadings were extremely worrying.

Yes, a small number of trains, catering for a particular market where the train is more attractive than the car, are busy. But make no mistake: this is very much the exception.

My LNER train out of King's Cross on Sunday was lightly loaded despite being "sold out" in Standard Class, with only 1st class fares available. Not a single person was in Coach C. I walked past many empty rows and got a table to myself in Coach B (complying with Government guidance but not complying with LNER instructions, which was to sit in my designated seat at a table which was already occupied by 2 people; where two sets of guidance contradict each other, I will comply with the guidance that makes the most sense). To make the situation worse, there was only one train per hour, and normally there'd be two. I suspect many people were put off by the 1st class fare and used another mode of transport.
I've had this with LNER when travelling last week in the London-Grantham area - managed to get the "last" standard class ticket but my carriage had just a handful of others inside. Didn't seem to make sense, I'm sure they're saving a lot for last minute walk ups but it's leading to a lot of quiet services.

Oh, and people sitting incredibly close to my reserved seat when the rest of the carriage/train has been empty has also happened to me a few times.


As an aside, the tube is certainly getting busier. And some reasonable loadings on West Anglia London Overground today. Nowhere near pre-Covid levels but certainly getting better. People sitting in most seats on the class 710s and a few standing after Seven Sisters.
 

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Yes, Coach C says 'only sit here temporarily' or something like that.

Same with J, at least on the 9 car sets.

I think they're leaving them as a contingency partly in case of a preceding train failing and having to pick up the affected passengers and partly in case of a set swap.
 

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The 8:23 West Highland service was moderately loaded between Glasgow and Fort William. However, most people alighted at Fort William with even more boarding. Social distancing was out the window.
 

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My LNER train out of King's Cross on Sunday was lightly loaded despite being "sold out" in Standard Class, with only 1st class fares available.
Is this due to people booked on that service that did not turn up?
 

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Travelled on the 1358 York to London yesterday. The train was busier than recent weeks but there was still plenty of tables of four with no one sat at. I sat at one of these as it was quieter than the coach with my designated seat.
 

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The 8:23 West Highland service was moderately loaded between Glasgow and Fort William. However, most people alighted at Fort William with even more boarding. Social distancing was out the window.

Did your 156 have the seat back tables put in the down position? I think they are doing to block off seats.

Took the 1255 from Edinburgh to Shotts yesterday , a 4 car 380 , pretty well loaded. Would like to see a 2nd fast on this route,when the route via Falkirk High is not operating.
 

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TPE 397 I took to Edinburgh from Lockerbie yesterday was the busiest I've seen a train (in fact I struggled to get a good seat, so I had to settle for a windowless one, well over half full), encouraging to see this.

The LNER service I used between Edinburgh and Haymarket (Purely to see how well loaded it was) was nearly empty in Standard (working London - Inverness) and the Scotrail HST I got back from Haymarket to Waverley was equally very lightly loaded.

The 397 I caught on the way home from Edinburgh had 10 people in standard class, and yet the conductor made an announcement for us to 'space out more to keep ourselves safe', which I thought was very odd and a little pointless.
 

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Did your 156 have the seat back tables put in the down position? I think they are doing to block off seats.

Took the 1255 from Edinburgh to Shotts yesterday , a 4 car 380 , pretty well loaded. Would like to see a 2nd fast on this route,when the route via Falkirk High is not operating.

No. They left the seats as they were. Scotrail haven't done much in the way of blocking off seats I've noticed.

I think you mean that social distancing was not possible? Saying it was "out the window" seems to imply it was possible but not complied with?

That's what I meant, yes. Most seats were taken as there were several groups of people getting on at Fort William, with not enough tables due to people from Glasgow travelling onwards.
 

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Travelled on the 1312 Kirk Sandall to Doncaster, one of Northern's 170s. The train was busier than I was expecting, hard to gauge exact numbers but a good proportion of seats were taken, especially at tables. A number of people seemed to be holiday travellers with suitcases. I tried to get a seat in the rearmost carriage but was turned away by the guard, it seemed strange as there were only two people sat in there. A lot of seats were also blocked off with the Covid distancing things.
 

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I travelled on a morning "peak" TPE train which was absolutely dead this morning, hardly anyone on it.

I then took a XC train and was one of only 3 in the carriage. The other 2 had beaten me to the only two tables, but I got a table after Sheffield.

I then took a West Midlands Trains service, by now it was very much 'off peak' and, being a more local service, it was busier than the other trains. But still loads of room; anyone boarding at any station could have got a table to themselves.

Then I was on a GWR train and was the only person in the coach until the first stop, a few more got on, but the train was very quiet.

Next was a 3-car XC service on a Nottingham to Cardiff route; the first two coaches were loaded to a level that XC would consider "full" for social distancing purposes (i.e. around 20% occupancy) and no reservations could be made, however I easily got a table in the rear coach which was very quiet.

Then got an HST, which was a "peak" departure from Birmingham. The number of passengers who were seated as the train arrived into Cheltenham looked to be in single figures, based on my observations through the window. Half a dozen alighted, at most. Maybe 10 boarded, at the very most.

I finished my journey at Bristol Temple Meads and the station was extremely quiet for that time of day.

The rail industry is in big trouble if this continues.
 

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Until recently, this level of loading seemed to be what government was aiming for. Perhaps someone in NR should ask government why an aeroplane or coach can be stuffed with pax with no concerns -apparently.
 

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Perhaps someone in NR should ask government why an aeroplane or coach can be stuffed with pax with no concerns -apparently.

Because they (coach and plane operators) have recognised that social distancing isn't always possible on transport hence the need for facemasks. I don't understand why certain elements of the rail industry haven't grasped this fact.
 

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Had to travel from Colchester to Inverness at short notice last week, via London and Glasgow rather than picking up an LNER service at Peterborough and going via Edinburgh (my preferred route), as LNER were out of reservations.

Caught a mid-morning intercity service to Liverpool Street which, while not as busy as I'd normally expect (though I'd be better at judging this on the Mk3s than the 745s!), wasn't quiet either. Underground service to Euston Square had people sitting about every three seats and a few standing, so a bit quieter than normal but not unreasonably so.

Euston felt fairly busy and I was surprised (though perhaps I shouldn't have been) when the platform was announced for those with reservations a good 20 plus minutes before departure. This did mean that it was difficult to assess quite how full the train was going to be, and my reserved seat facing forward at the end of a carriage also didn't help! That said, I got the impression that more window seats were taken than not by the time of departure, at least in my carriage, with some passengers ignoring the announced request not to sit in aisle seats, though this fell quite significantly before reaching Glasgow.

Glasgow Central felt fairly busy but Glasgow Queen Street seemed far too quiet for what ought to have been the evening peak. I don't know how busy the service to Inverness should normally have been, but leaving Glasgow there were about half a dozen people in my carriage. By the time we got to Inverness (about 2130), I was one of just two passengers on the whole train.

Ticket barriers or manual checks were in operation at each station, except Glasgow Central. The only on-train staff I saw were a cleaner on Avanti and a guard who walked up the train a couple of times on Scotrail.

On Sunday I needed to head from North London back to Essex. The Great Northern Stevenage to Moorgate service seemed pretty quiet, but when I changed to the Overground at Highbury and Islington it was a different story. There was a gap in the service and the first Stratford-bound train arrived pretty full and left rammed. I waited for the second as I had a fair bit of luggage, and this had people sitting in pretty much alternate seats and some (myself included) standing. I had some stuff to do in Dalston before continuing, and the next Overground service I caught was a little quieter than the first. Finally, the Liverpool Street to Ipswich service I caught at Stratford seemed reasonably busy with roughly alternate sets of seats occupied in my carriage (and it seemed busier further back), though it emptied out as it headed north.

I have to say the loadings, while generally lower than normal, didn't fill me with the doom some have reported. I suspect I need to catch some peak services and more non-London services to experience that, though.
 

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I think the long distance services will be in a bit of trouble if this continues. Local and regional services would be fine, Avanti seem to be generally quieter leaving Glasgow too.
 

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Did Avanti 6 weeks ago - not busy at all, was able to sit wherever I wanted.

All of the ScotRail trains I've been on since early July have been about normal. Not nearly as quiet as one would expect.
 

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Anyone know how busy the peak morning and evening GWR services between Bristol and London are now? I expect not very busy atall, as not many commuters have returned yet and hardly any leisure travellers will be on these services due to the very expensive ticket fares. If indeed there's very few passengers on these services, then GWR should consider for the short term anyway, allowing Off Peak tickets to be valid on these services, as well as a limited amount of cheap Advance tickets available to purchase.
 

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Anyone know how busy the peak morning and evening GWR services between Bristol and London are now? I expect not very busy atall, as not many commuters have returned yet and hardly any leisure travellers will be on these services due to the very expensive ticket fares. If indeed there's very few passengers on these services, then GWR should consider for the short term anyway, allowing Off Peak tickets to be valid on these services, as well as a limited amount of cheap Advance tickets available to purchase.

They are empty.
 

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Because they (coach and plane operators) have recognised that social distancing isn't always possible on transport hence the need for facemasks. I don't understand why certain elements of the rail industry haven't grasped this fact.
They may well be aware of it but could not care less as the government is bank-rolling them and they believe this will go on indefinitely.
 

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Had a (very quiet) train earlier where the guard was emphasising in his announcements that it was 'obviously' essential travel only and not to travel unless your journey was essential. Course same guard said 'no exceptions' to the face covering thing so I once again lose faith in the railway.

Just to add, non essential journey made on the train anyway (obviously), and face mask worn throughout.
 

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Well, the Hallam stopper was doing a roaring trade this afternoon. No silly announcements, just lots of people getting on with things whilst keeping distance within reason/covering faces.
 

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Had a (very quiet) train earlier where the guard was emphasising in his announcements that it was 'obviously' essential travel only and not to travel unless your journey was essential. Course same guard said 'no exceptions' to the face covering thing so I once again lose faith in the railway.

Just to add, non essential journey made on the train anyway (obviously), and face mask worn throughout.
TfW have confirmed in an FOI response that anyone can travel for any reason; see:
https://www.railforums.co.uk/thread...ys-allowed-or-not.206316/page-19#post-4736862
...It was not our policy to enforce the types of journeys people were making on TfW services....
 

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07:21 from Stevenage to Kings Cross this morning had about 50 passengers on board. Just two of us in the 12th carriage. This is one of the additional peak extra trains from Stevenage.
The 16:42 return was similarly lightly loaded.

The declassified rear 1st class compartment on the 07:17 from Stevenage to Horsham via St Pancras looked well loaded even though the rest of the train looked empty...
 

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Had a very quiet journey on a GWR Cardiff to Bristol earlier on in the day despite it having ran out of reservation quota and no tickets being available... only 3 other people in the coach (5 car turbo 2+3 formation for reference.) Return journey in the evening again on GWR 3 coach Turbo slightly busier but still only one person in a bay (of 6 facing or 4 facing.)

I was expecting the morning service to be much busier if no reservations were available at all, especially as it was the first "off peak" service from Cardiff to Portsmouth over a bank holiday. Not a hopeful sign of a rise in passenger numbers.
 
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