How to avoid the airport public transport tax surcharges.

[Belperpete]

The entry for Prague needs to be updated, as bus 119 has now been replaced by trolleybus 59.

As an alternative to the 59 to metro A, there is an alternative of taking bus 100 to Zlicin, for metro line C, the yellow line.

And there is also bus 191 to Andel, which is a major tram interchange. A bit of a circuitous route, but the DPP journey planner often gives it as my best option.

The AE Airport Express bus is not part of the Prague Integrated Fare System, as it is run for Czech Railways, to give a direct connection between the main station and the airport. Which otherwise would need you to take two metros and a bus/trolley to get there.

 

[nwales58]

(Reworded from the airport to the city)
Milan Malpensa: train costs Eur 13.00 to Milano Centrale or Cadorna (priced as first class, second not available).

Instead break at Busto Arsizio Nord (NOT Busto Arsizio) Eur 4.00. Exit and buy new ticket to city, Eur 4.40 second class, total Eur 8.40. Adds around 15 minutes to the journey, less if you catch the hourly R50.

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Rome Fiumicino: Leonardo express to Roma Termini costs Eur 14.00, also priced as first class only.

Regional train every 30 minutes costs Eur 8.00 to any of the ring stations Ostiense, Tuscolana, Tiburtina. If connecting onto long distance services Tiburtina may be as convenient. If only using regional trains during your stay, Eur 35 for 3 days Italia in Tour ticket is valid for now at least.

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Madrid: Cercanias and Metro fares are not expensive, but if you are travelling to or coming from beyond Madrid and have an AVE ticket it includes one Cercanias journey including from/to the airport.

Anyone know best way between Lyon and St Exupery avoiding Rhonexpress?

 

[signed]

Anyone know best way between Lyon and St Exupery avoiding Rhonexpress?

47 and T3 is the only possible way. But takes 2x as long as Rhoneexpress.

 

[nwales58]

47 and T3 is the only possible way. But takes 2x as long as Rhoneexpress.

Edit: was already in the post #1 list. Sorry.

 

[deltic]

Some of these will be relatively low-paid airport workers, albeit making shorter journeys.

Most of those are eligible for discounted travel arrangements that are arranged between airport employers and transport providers.

 

[redreni]

Simplifying to make the price higher. It was the same with the EUR10.40 fare pre-dezone. It's the plot all along, while the monthly pass gets even more expensive to EUR88.50/month (minding that most people will get half reimbursed by their employer)

But I would very much doubt many people would use it to do short journeys at all, especially with airport workers, when the line doesn't serve the non-passenger parts of the airport.

The 183 Bus is EUR2, every 15min, and takes only 5min from Thiais-Orly to the Airport.

I was going to say you can't say a €13 flat fare isn't simple.

But, of course, where a special airport fare breaks what is otherwise a predictable, zonal fare structure, and where it creates splitting opportunities involving a bus (as in this case), it does add complexity to the fare structure. Not a big deal for tourists, maybe, for whom even these rip-off fares will make little difference to their overall spend on their trip, but of course the airport also serves Parisians and other French passengers. This sort of thing risks discouraging their use of public transport rather than their cars.

 

[nwales58]

This might not save a lot compared to how much you spend in Venice and it's complicated.

Italy - Venice: If travelling to Mestre (mainland) or only as far as Piazzale Roma on the island the bus costs Eur 10 single, Eur 18 return.

If tempted by the Alilaguna water bus it's Eur 15 to the main island stops.

But if you will use the water buses (ACTV because Alilaguna only operates the airport routes) during your stay (Eur 25 for 24h, 35/48h or 45/72h):

Bus from the airport: if you include it in your ticket it only adds Eur 7 single, Eur 13 return.

Alilaguna water bus: buy as far as Murano, Eur 8 single. Get off then use ACTV water bus routes with your ACTV ticket to the main islands.

At the airport don't fall for the Alilaguna multi-day tickets because those are not valid on ACTV who provide almost all the routes around Venice.

If you don't mind walking a mile or so to Tessera the bus costs the standard Eur 1.50 or 5.00 for a day ticket.

 

[signed]

But, of course, where a special airport fare breaks what is otherwise a predictable, zonal fare structure, and where it creates splitting opportunities involving a bus (as in this case), it does add complexity to the fare structure.

I fully agree. Simplicity (in how it's used now) is for fare gouging (see LNER)

 

[SHD]

My God, as if landing at "Paris"-Vatry wasn't enough of a punishment, you are suggesting walking 45 minutes in openfield Champagne countryside...

While you are at it, you can technically walk to Milano-Linate, although the brand new metro link has no surcharge.

Excellent advice on Vencie above, I will add that Alilaguna is painfully slow if you are going anywhere else than east Cannaregio / west Castello.

 

[stadler]

The tram service to Nice airport has to be the biggest scam of them all! Most of these rip offs are not technically scams (even though they feel like it) but this i would actually call a scam. I am just looking more in to it and i am shocked that they have gotten away with this. If i have understood this correctly they are selling an expensive airport ticket even though you can get there using an ordinary ticket!

Travel anywhere on the tram costs EUR1.70 except if you go to the airport it costs EUR10.00 instead. So it increases from EUR1.70 to EUR10.00 for the two minute extra journey. A huge increase.

But here is the crazy part. Travelling on the tram between Grand Arenas (the stop before the airport and part of the normal fare zone) and the airport itself is free of charge as it is within the airport free zone. So you actually do not have to pay anything on this one stop section. So that means the EUR10.00 ticket is not actually needed and you can travel to and from the airport on a normal EUR1.70 ticket. The one stop section between Grand Arenas and the airport is free of charge (part of the airport free zone) so you can just buy a EUR1.70 ticket and go to the airport with that.

How are they getting away with this! This means the EUR10.00 airport ticket has exactly the same validity as the EUR1.70 standard ticket. So nobody actually needs to buy the more expensive ticket. So the whole purpose seems to be to rip off tourists and make them buy something that is not needed!

Even if they got rid of the airport free zone it is only a four or five minute walk to Grand Arenas anyway. So you can easily walk there. But the airport free zone exists meaning you can use the tram between the airport and a normal stop free of charge.

 

[signed]

So the whole purpose seems to be to rip off tourists and make them buy something that is not needed!

Indeed, that is absolutely incredible how scummy (and even scammy it is).

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Even if they got rid of the airport free zone it is only a four or five minute walk to Grand Arenas anyway.

The Free Zone is likely also serving as a way to get to Nice Saint-Augustin, and the various hotels around the Arenas

 

[stadler]

My God, as if landing at "Paris"-Vatry wasn't enough of a punishment, you are suggesting walking 45 minutes in openfield Champagne countryside...

While you are at it, you can technically walk to Milano-Linate, although the brand new metro link has no surcharge.

Excellent advice on Vencie above, I will add that Alilaguna is painfully slow if you are going anywhere else than east Cannaregio / west Castello.

Paris Vatry airport has zero public transport. There is no buses or coaches or trains or anything serving the airport. Therefore the option of walking 45 minutes to the nearest bus stop is the only way to avoid a taxi. Otherwise you have to pay for a taxi. It is not ideal and i would not normally recommend such a long walk but in this case it is your only option.

 

[stadler]

(Reworded from the airport to the city)
Milan Malpensa: train costs Eur 13.00 to Milano Centrale or Cadorna (priced as first class, second not available).

Instead break at Busto Arsizio Nord (NOT Busto Arsizio) Eur 4.00. Exit and buy new ticket to city, Eur 4.40 second class, total Eur 8.40. Adds around 15 minutes to the journey, less if you catch the hourly R50.

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Rome Fiumicino: Leonardo express to Roma Termini costs Eur 14.00, also priced as first class only.

Regional train every 30 minutes costs Eur 8.00 to any of the ring stations Ostiense, Tuscolana, Tiburtina. If connecting onto long distance services Tiburtina may be as convenient. If only using regional trains during your stay, Eur 35 for 3 days Italia in Tour ticket is valid for now at least.

== Doublepost prevention - post automatically merged: 5 Jan 2025 ==

Madrid: Cercanias and Metro fares are not expensive, but if you are travelling to or coming from beyond Madrid and have an AVE ticket it includes one Cercanias journey including from/to the airport.

Anyone know best way between Lyon and St Exupery avoiding Rhonexpress?

I have just looked in to the Milan Malpensa one that you mention and it looks like splitting at Ferno Lonate Pozzolo is actually cheaper. It is only a small EUR0.20 difference but splitting there makes no difference so you might as well do that and save slightly more money.

Your suggestion of splitting at Busto Artizio Nord brings the cost down from EUR13.00 to EUR8.40 (Airport to Busto Artizio Nord for EUR4.00 and then Busto Artizio Nord to Milan for EUR4.40). But if you instead split at Ferno Lonate Pozzolo that brings the cost down from EUR13.00 to EUR8.20 (Airport to Ferno Lonate Pozzolo for EUR3.00 and then Ferno Lonate Pozzolo to Milan for EUR5.20).

Also the Fiumicino Airport in Rome one unfortunately still charges a massive surcharge for the slower regional train. Yes the FL1 Regional Train is cheaper at EUR8.00 compared to EUR14.00 on the Fiumcino Express or even EUR19.50 for the Frecciarossa train but it still has a massive surcharge. The same regional trains only cost EUR2.10 for all other journeys of the same length. Even a journey between Rome city centre and the first stop outside the airport (Parco Leonardo) is only EUR2.10 single. But any journey to or from the airport (even a one stop Fiumicino Airport to Parco Leonardo journey which takes just three minutes) costs EUR8.00 single.

The trick here is to take a local bus from Fiumicino Airport to Parco Leonardo which costs EUR1.10 single. Then take the train from Parco Leonardo to Rome city centre which costs EUR2.10 single. So only EUR3.20 total fare.

 

[signed]

Verona is also a sneaky one, but habitual coming from a Ryanair-served airport

For 15min, with line 199, cost €7 and there is absolutely 0 alternatives, even if you wanted to walk off the airport property. Taxi is also absurdely expensive at €30 fixed fare

 

[stadler]

Verona is also a sneaky one, but habitual coming from a Ryanair-served airport

For 15min, with line 199, cost €7 and there is absolutely 0 alternatives, even if you wanted to walk off the airport property. Taxi is also absurdely expensive at €30 fixed fare

It seems that there is actually two alternatives to the EUR7.00 rip off airport bus.

Option 1: You can walk from the airport to the nearby Dossobuono railway station which is only a 15 to 20 minute walk. Then take a ten minute train ride from Dossobuono to Verona which costs just EUR2.10 single.

Option 2: You can walk from the airport to the nearby Dossobuono on Via Cavour road which is only a 15 to 20 minute walk. Then take a twenty minute route 157 or 158 or 159 bus ride from Dossobuono to Verona which costs just EUR2.30 single.

Of course the airport does not publicise these but it seems quite easy to avoid the surcharge here.