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northwichcat

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The LM Liverpool - Birmingham trains surely count as stoppers, not Intercity! They stop at quite a few places!

There's a half-hourly service between Liverpool and Birmingham. One train each hour runs as an express, the other serves some of the smaller stations.
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Yorkie, that's probably a good way of defining it - original Inter-City services are the only ones that truly count.

Further posts - the rules have been set ;)

But what about where services have changed? Liverpool is a place where the final destinations of a lot of the services have changed e.g. there are no direct services now to Sunderland, Cardiff, Poole, Stansted Airport etc. If the service has been cut short or extended is it classed as an intercity service?
 
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TPE has never been "InterCity".

Until approx 1991, they did run decent long trains with loco hauled stock, it wasn't operated by InterCity but I guess it was not far off in terms of the length of train and calling pattern. But since then it's been downgraded into a short formed DMU operation which certainly doesn't meet any of the criteria in by opinion.

Agreed: I may not have travelled on many 'InterCity' services, but the TPE journeys I've been on feel more like a semi-fast operation, like the WAG Express between Holyhead and Cardiff. This is not to say that they don't have aspirations for 'InterCity' status...
 

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Chippenham does have a few locals from Swindon to Westbury - though I don't think there are many each day - a quick look at table 123 it looks like 2 services each way.

Likewise, Alnmouth is essentially only served by NXEC & XC. Northern call twice a day in each direction (12 hours apart)

How about Pewsey? I assume that the Paddington-Exeter "stoppers" still count as IC.

If TPE count as Inter City, then you can include Penrith
(& also Oxenholme if the Windermere trains count the same as the Edinburgh ones - they are formed of the same stock)
Likewise, Thirsk & Northallerton - only TPE & Grand Central call there - plus a couple of NXEC at Northallerton
 

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St Pancras International ;)

How about Tiverton Parkway? Served by XC and FGW Intercity services only I think. Unless there are any local FGW services?
 
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Chippenham does have a few locals from Swindon to Westbury - though I don't think there are many each day - a quick look at table 123 it looks like 2 services each way.
Also there is a morning service between Temple Meads and Swindon calling all stations.
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How about Tiverton Parkway? Served by XC and FGW Intercity services only I think. Unless there are any local FGW services?
Yeah, see my post above, there are a couple of regional FGW services.
 

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All in all, then, Diss is looking more and more rare in that it is ONLY served by Inter-City....stations either side Stowmarket and Norwich have locals, but none call at Diss. Unusual!

I would also second that Norwich - Liverpool is in no way an Inter-City service, having travelled the length of the route a few times...more like hell!
 

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TPE has never been "InterCity".

Until approx 1991, they did run decent long trains with loco hauled stock, it wasn't operated by InterCity but I guess it was not far off in terms of the length of train and calling pattern. But since then it's been downgraded into a short formed DMU operation which certainly doesn't meet any of the criteria in by opinion.

I would argue that the Scotland services (ie, Glasgow and Edinburgh-Manchester Airport) could be classed as "intercity" operations. They have a limited calling pattern, a high level of service despite the DMU operation and, IMO, warrant intercity status. Given the history as well, I believe it's appropriate. However, I'd agree that East of Manchester services aren't really intercity on their particular stretch of line; they call at most if not all stations and really are more "inter-urban", same goes for services to Blackpool. Important services, of course, but not "intercity" as such.

The thing is, we could sit here all day debating what is and isn't "intercity" and still not come to a conclusion. Of course, we've pretty much agreed elsewhere that "Intercity" can't simply mean between two cities; that would mean that several tube lines are intercity trains. Most people would agree that Virgin and Cross country are intercity operations, whereas Northern provides a local service. But some, like the TPEs to Scotland, will always cause some debate.
 

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The Manchester to Hull service could be classed as an intercity service, based on the number of stops, but Manchester to Newcastle as a regional service.

With Liverpool to Norwich it's an express service with extra stops at peak times. But, being a 5 hour+ journey if it's not peak time in Merseyaide, then it's peak time by the time the train reaches Norfolk and vice versa.
 

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I would argue that the Scotland services (ie, Glasgow and Edinburgh-Manchester Airport) could be classed as "intercity" operations. They have a limited calling pattern, a high level of service despite the DMU operation and, IMO, warrant intercity status. Given the history as well, I believe it's appropriate

Manchester - Scotland used to be a Cross Country/ Intercity service, and retains the same stopping pattern, so I think it's "Intercity" by today's standards
 

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That's irrelevant... it's marketing to make their route a bit more glamorous and tell stupid people thats where they get off for their Eurostar connection.

The pedantry on here is infuriating... bye

I'm lost :? I've always considered St Pancras to be one station, and 'Intl' is added on the end as its international station.
 

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Rather off topic but the boards at Sheffield used to show "London St Pancras" until it officially opened to Eurostar, then they showed "St Pancras International" before reverting back to "London St Pancras" after a couple of months. Then on EMT last week it was just referred to as "St Pancras International" by the train manager so would seem the rail industry still doesn't quite know what to call it!

On a side note, imagine how many stations in Europe would be called "XXXX International"! I know we're different but is the "international" part really necessary as its not as if Eurostar leave from a technically different station as was the situation at Waterloo.
 

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Wow, when starting this thread I didn't expect things to get so picky/heated!

Let's not forget the original question...

....so far, I believe the only confirmed stations with absolutely NO services other than those that can rightfully be considered Inter-City are Diss, Dunbar and Berwick...

....any challenges/additions?!

(PS even I'm bored by the St Pancras debate, sorry to say :)
 

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....so far, I believe the only confirmed stations with absolutely NO services other than those that can rightfully be considered Inter-City are Diss, Dunbar and Berwick...

Again, Lockerbie can, as it's only served by the Scottish Transpennine Services, which are intercity trains.
 

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There will always be debate, but I will always say Lockerbie deserves this status. Scottish Transpennine trains are, regardless of the fact they're 185s, Intercity Trains.
 

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TPE has never been "InterCity".

Until approx 1991, they did run decent long trains with loco hauled stock, it wasn't operated by InterCity.

When First took over the TransPennine Express service and still had First North Western they printed on all First North Western timetables something like 'Train times for local services' while on TransPennine Express they printed 'Train times for intercity services.'
 

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EMT calls their part of the station "St Pancras International", not sure if FCC do. In contrast, LDB calls it "St Pancras Domestic".

The low level platforms (A & B) are branded as 'St Pancras International'...

FCC-TL announcements have FCC services as calling at 'St Pancras International' and EMT services as going to 'St Pancras'. Although when FCC are terminating at high level (1-4) they still say the train is going to 'St Pancras International' :? Confused? I am.

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