Issue occured need info and advice

[najaB]

If so, you're automatically guilty under byelaw 18 (2) because you failed to show your ticket (if the byelaw means you have to show a valid ticket)

There are some who are of the opinion that the byelaw is satisfied by presenting a card that *could* have been used to start the journey, but I think that is being too narrowly focused on the letter of section 18.2 in isolation rather than considering Byelaw 18 as a whole: you have to have a valid ticket when you board and you have to hand over *that ticket* when requested, unless there was no way to pay for a ticket or you were given permission to board without one.

 

[some bloke]

There are some who are of the opinion that the byelaw is satisfied by presenting a card that *could* have been used to start the journey, but I think that is being too narrowly focused on the letter of section 18.2 in isolation rather than considering Byelaw 18 as a whole: you have to have a valid ticket when you board and you have to hand over *that ticket* when requested, unless there was no way to pay for a ticket or you were given permission to board without one.

Yes, 18 (1) says "valid ticket" then 18 (2) says "his ticket". It's perhaps phrased less clearly than is ideal, but it's understandable if the usual interpretation is that the ticket has to be valid.

A byelaw that lets an invalid ticket be presented might seem to allow a variety of ridiculously inappropriate, invalid tickets, but perhaps there are precedents.

 

[island]

Depending on quite what law you are charged under, you may also get a criminal record which for a year or so you will have to tell employers about if they ask - and the impression we get here is that financial jobs (so more or less anything in the City of London) rely heavily on people not having any criminal record.

At the risk of veering off-topic, as a senior manager at one of those financial jobs, we would have very few concerns about hiring someone who had a conviction for minor fare evasion.

What we would have concerns about (and would probably withdraw a job offer over) is someone with such a conviction omitting to declare it when asked about it.