Joanna Dennehy: serial killer

[TheKnightWho]

I quote from the UN statistics:-

World Population 2005 6,514,751,000
World Popualtion 2012 7,080,072,000
http://unstats.un.org/unsd/demographic/products/vitstats/default.htm
which confirms an increasing population.

And Just this week the UN were warning ....

http://www.ipcc-wg2.gov/index.html



And I could go on to mention dwindling North Sea Oil and Gas along with those parts of the world that lack sufficient water resources but I suspect you would also consider such facts to be a Myth compared to your own unsubstantiated opinions.
You are welcome to hold your opinions but do not confuse opinion with facts.



Good luck with your asteroids and the resources they will provide for the poor and needy in Africa, Asia and Europe. That is truly Pie in The Sky - my suggestion was for a minor cost and resources saving here and now.

Patronise me all you like, but an increasing population is not indicative of a spiraling population. If you look, the UN also says we'll top out at around 9 billion.

Food shortages have nothing to do with our technical ability to make more food, and have everything to do with the geopolitical landscape of those areas and the refusal of many countries to grow GM crops. However, since you seem to be so keen on scaremongering and complaining about everything I'll leave it at that.

Some of us do know a little more about things that what at first might seem obvious to you.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

I am finding it somewhat difficult to make the leap in logic that sees the subject of this thread (a female serial killer) as a comparison to the matter discussed in recent postings on the thread.

 

[455driver]

But this has to be written up in law which makes it more complicated. How do you feel about British soldiers who have blatantly illegally killed people overseas? I am thinking of a guy who I am 100% behind by the way. He killed someone deliberately without reason and by the letter of the law should be executed if that was how we did things.

Nobody has mentioned what sort of injuries the 'victim' was suffering from which would make the 'crime' much clearer.
If the victim had a flesh wound then the soldier did wrong, if the victim had his guts hanging out then the soldier did him a favour, plus anything in between.

Anyway you look at it, war is war and although I dont agree with an eye for an eye what people have to remember is what the other side did to our soldiers and the effects those sights will have on the other soldiers thought processes.

 

[ainsworth74]

Do you consider there to be any risk of getting it wrong in this or the Lee Rigby cases?

Nope none at all and if we did have the death penalty I would be certain that there hadn't been a miscarriage of justice if they were sentenced to death. But how do we legislate to cover situations where there is absolutely no doubt (which seem to be few and far between) and situations where there is some doubt (which would seem to be the majority). The law surely needs to be applied evenly?

These are the ones that should be injected with a cocktail of drugs!

Bullet to the head would probably be more 'humane' as the number of problems that the US has had with the lethal injection method is frightening.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Along similar lines to what Ainsworth74 is saying, I read somewhere that there was a new injection trialled in one state (Ohio I think) late last year - it basically caused the recipient to choke to death on their own body parts or something equally horrific. It's not very often I can't read things but I got about halfway through the article and had to call it quits.

Edit - Found it. I won't quote it because a lot of it is quite disturbing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-butter-pecan-ice-cream-fried-chicken.html

Making someone's stomach be continually displaced in order to choke them to death is vile, sub-human behavior in any country.

 

[ralphchadkirk]

Death isn't a nice thing to witness, but he didn't choke on his own body parts, and neither was his stomach deliberately displaced to choke him (quite how that would work I don't know). The drugs he had were strong sedatives, analgesics, relaxants and anxiolytics. I suspect what happened was that he simply wasn't given enough midazolam and thus he still retained some sensation of difficulty in breathing and was focussed enough to try and overcome it.

Whilst people can easily be put to death without any pain or suffering, it's still a brutal, inhumane act that no civilised society should be a part of.

 

[455driver]

Along similar lines to what Ainsworth74 is saying, I read somewhere that there was a new injection trialled in one state (Ohio I think) late last year - it basically caused the recipient to choke to death on their own body parts or something equally horrific. It's not very often I can't read things but I got about halfway through the article and had to call it quits.

Edit - Found it. I won't quote it because a lot of it is quite disturbing.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ion-butter-pecan-ice-cream-fried-chicken.html

Making someone's stomach be continually displaced in order to choke them to death is vile, sub-human behavior in any country.

That is disgusting and whoever thought it was a good idea should undergo the treatment themselves.

I think there should be a death penalty for the extreme cases (not as a matter of course) but it should be a humane, painless death no matter what they are guilty of similar to putting a sick animal to sleep.

 

[Xenophon PCDGS]

Death isn't a nice thing to witness, but he didn't choke on his own body parts, and neither was his stomach deliberately displaced to choke him (quite how that would work I don't know). The drugs he had were strong sedatives, analgesics, relaxants and anxiolytics. I suspect what happened was that he simply wasn't given enough midazolam and thus he still retained some sensation of difficulty in breathing and was focussed enough to try and overcome it.

Thank you for your clarification of what exactly occurred in this specific case.

 

[radamfi]

Do you consider there to be any risk of getting it wrong in this or the Lee Rigby cases?

In the Lee Rigby case, the perpetrators wanted to die. They were expecting the police to kill them but they survived. So giving them the death penalty is giving them what they want, voluntary euthanasia! Instead, they are being made to suffer by spending the rest of their lives in prison.

Life imprisonment without parole is arguably a harsher sentence than the death penalty.

Putting things into perspective, though, murder is a relatively rare crime in the developed world, particularly in Europe. Most European countries have a murder rate of less than 2 per 100,000 per year. The rate in the UK is 1.2. Even in the far more violent USA, it is only 4.8.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_rate

Far more people are dying prematurely due to air pollution, and that barely gets a mention, except during the recent particularly exceptional smog.

 

[MidnightFlyer]

Death isn't a nice thing to witness, but he didn't choke on his own body parts, and neither was his stomach deliberately displaced to choke him (quite how that would work I don't know). The drugs he had were strong sedatives, analgesics, relaxants and anxiolytics. I suspect what happened was that he simply wasn't given enough midazolam and thus he still retained some sensation of difficulty in breathing and was focussed enough to try and overcome it.

Thanks. I had to do most of that from memory but should have clarified once I found the link.

... but it should be a humane, painless death no matter what they are guilty of similar to putting a sick animal to sleep.

Agreed. If we had to have the death penalty (or in a country which does currently implement it) then that would be the only methods I'd favour.

In the Lee Rigby case, the perpetrators wanted to die. They were expecting the police to kill them but they survived. So giving them the death penalty is giving them what they want, voluntary euthanasia! ...

In doing so you also create a very dangerous new crop of martyrs for Islamic extremists to aspire to - coming from the Christian, Westernised background that both did also perhaps puts a new angle on it, as opposed to a 'traditional' terrorists who's been a Muslim all their life and is from a Middle East / South Asian background (i.e. they are more relatable to homegrown / convert terrorists in the UK / West).

 

[fowler9]

Nobody has mentioned what sort of injuries the 'victim' was suffering from which would make the 'crime' much clearer.
If the victim had a flesh wound then the soldier did wrong, if the victim had his guts hanging out then the soldier did him a favour, plus anything in between.

Anyway you look at it, war is war and although I dont agree with an eye for an eye what people have to remember is what the other side did to our soldiers and the effects those sights will have on the other soldiers thought processes.

How about if the soldier just shot the guy in the face while he was perfectly healthy. It was completely out of line with the Geneva convention and if we had the death sentence he would be fighting against being executed instead of being banged up. I think the guy in question is a Royal Marine. Personally I would let him go, it was the stress of war but he did murder someone.
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That is disgusting and whoever thought it was a good idea should undergo the treatment themselves.

I think there should be a death penalty for the extreme cases (not as a matter of course) but it should be a humane, painless death no matter what they are guilty of similar to putting a sick animal to sleep.

There is nothing humane about killing something. And who knows that lethal injection is painless. I have read studies saying that victims may feel like they have been set on fire.
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Here you go mate, bang to rights guitly, he executed someone without trial, would you have the soldier executed?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-25266206

 

[455driver]

So the victim was seriously injured then but it still doesnt mention the actual injuries-

One of them was seriously injured by gunfire from an Apache helicopter sent to provide air support, and the marines found him in a field

Who is to say that the victim wasnt in a great deal of pain and would have died anyway.
I am not saying that Sergeant Blackman did the right thing but we only have the papers tainted facts about the case. Those gunships dont exactly use .22 ammunition do they?

What he did was wrong but what would any of us done in that position after witnessing everything that Sergeant Blackman had seen?
Can we be certain (and I mean 100% certain) that we would not have done the same thing?

I do get the feeling Sergeant Blackman has been made a scapegoat to appease foreign interests. Things that happen during war need to take into account the stresses the soldiers are under, I dont think they have in this case!

Thank you for the link Fowler9.

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Sod all this serious stuff, I need a pint!