gordonthemoron
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ofcourse, en-route from KX to Thameslink you could pop into the Flying Scotsman
ofcourse, en-route from KX to Thameslink you could pop into the Flying Scotsman
Accidents on those escalators have reduced by over 20% since the change. If you don't walk down to the up escalators, take the lift?Easier interchange between EMT and TL? May have been true before they messed around with the escalators. I don't think walking half way down the concourse while avoiding idiotic tourists is easy myself.
That I agree with, although the seating has been increased recently.In the case of the EMT concourse, it is quite obviously an afterthought, though it was larger until EMT decided to install barriers and almost halved it while reducing the amount of seating. The installation of the barriers completely negated any benefits to passenger flow.
Any lift or escalator can have a problem. But surely better that they're there than not at all?As for step free access I've seen TL lifts out of service more than a few times.
You remember right. I know plenty of commuters that prefer it over the previous arrangements.Am I right in remembering you work there?
Passengers who have passed through a few times may rate it highly, but as a commuter I know people similar to myself sure don't.
Depending on pedestrian and vehicle traffic, surely? And also how much you're carrying, I'd say.Inconvenient depends where you were going. From Platforms 1-8 at Kings X I can be at Kings X Thameslink a lot faster than St Pacras Thameslink.
That's the standard excuse from an architect when they come up with something as spectacularly retarded as the new roof at Reading or Newport.
"It's not our fault mate, you never told us you wanted a roof that would stop people getting wet".
I think the main problem at St Pancras is that the domestic platforms were designed as an afterthought, and they don't really work as a result. I don't understand the gripes about the new Thameslink station, though; Kings Cross Thameslink was inconveniently placed and the narrow platforms meant it got dangerously overcrowded pretty quickly. Thameslink had outgrown the station.
Why not just leave by the Midland Road doors, right by the Thameslink barrier line, and head south to Euston Road? Saves all that aggravation you're complaining about....they now have to get up from the new Thameslink and make their way south through the shoppers and Eurostar passengers to get to the Euston Road to then disperse to their workplaces and that is of no benefit whatsoever.
Kings Cross station was perfectly functional before the improvements were made. I know this because I've been there a few times in the past.
Taking my old bugbear, St Pancras, like so many others I was amazed at the wonderfully designed windows on the western side of the extension, totally the wrong size which leave platforms 1 and 2 open to the elements and turn the platforms themselves into skating rinks, the pleasing distribution of plastic buckets whenever it rained to catch the rain which the newly renovated roof allowed in at it's joint with the old one, the disgraceful lack of escalators between the MML platforms and the shopping centre, sorry, the access to all other parts of the station, the queues that build up in the corridors where the left luggage and toilet area is
All these areas are built to the aesthetic standards that the architects and designers want, not to assist the running of a working station or, heaven forbid, the safety and comfort of passengers and staff
As for step free access I've seen TL lifts out of service more than a few times.
"It's not our fault mate, you never told us you wanted a roof that would stop people getting wet".
I think the main problem at St Pancras is that the domestic platforms were designed as an afterthought, and they don't really work as a result. I don't understand the gripes about the new Thameslink station, though; Kings Cross Thameslink was inconveniently placed and the narrow platforms meant it got dangerously overcrowded pretty quickly. Thameslink had outgrown the station.
Why not just leave by the Midland Road doors, right by the Thameslink barrier line, and head south to Euston Road? Saves all that aggravation you're complaining about.
That's the standard excuse from an architect when they come up with something as spectacularly retarded as the new roof at Reading or Newport.
"It's not our fault mate, you never told us you wanted a roof that would stop people getting wet".
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A fairly simple (in the grand scheme of things) improvement would be to replace the Eastern footbridge with one that was a bit more substantial (wider/fully accessible) than the one there currently which looks like an afterthought. This could also be accessed from any new concourse if a way can be found to build one.
This dates from the old 1960's rebuild, so perhaps should be classed as a "pre-thought".
One thing which I find a pain at Leeds is the access to Platform 17.
I use this platform when I travel on the NR 'Express' service to Sheffield.
From the far end of the footbridge the steps extend quite some distance in the opposite direction along 16 before you have to double back to reach 17.
Sometimes it's the difference between catching or missing your train, especially if you get caught up in the crowd waiting at the bottom of the steps on 16.
One thing which I find a pain at Leeds is the access to Platform 17.
I use this platform when I travel on the NR 'Express' service to Sheffield.
From the far end of the footbridge the steps extend quite some distance in the opposite direction along 16 before you have to double back to reach 17.
Sometimes it's the difference between catching or missing your train, especially if you get caught up in the crowd waiting at the bottom of the steps on 16.
Indeed you can, and hope that it's not tipping down with rain for example or, if you walk down the east side of St Pancras, that Eurostar isn't suffering delays because, as you will be aware, this is where the Eurostar passengers 'waiting area' is, whatever you do, inside, outside, east side or west side the length of the walk is no different
Midland Road referred to in the previous post is on the west of St Pancras. Although last time I tried, it seemed to be largely dodging the hotel deliveries and the taxis. To my mind St Pancras badly needs an exit from the upper level in the SW corner where the hotel is - I haven't tried shortcutting through the foyer!
Leeds City Station was largely rebuilt a short while ago, stop complaining
Yes, I was mixing up my roads there but my point is still valid, Midland Road you can fight with the taxi rank and hotel, Pancras Road was equally as crowded with taxis and minibuses last time I was there along with the potential Eurostar chaos queue, internally you have the shops, Eurostar passengers and then the bottleneck of the Underground ticket office, all those working in Grays Inn Road and its environs have no option but to suffer this every morning and evening or use Farringdon and walk all that distance, such a lot of thought must have gone into the customer relations discussions before the station rebuild/facelift/whatever
Happy days
Midland Road referred to in the previous post is on the west of St Pancras. Although last time I tried, it seemed to be largely dodging the hotel deliveries and the taxis. To my mind St Pancras badly needs an exit from the upper level in the SW corner where the hotel is - I haven't tried shortcutting through the foyer!
When I used to commute into St.P in the 1990s, I used to exit the station via the taxi ramp behind the ticket hall. What became of that?
For going between St Pancras and the Grays Inn Road area I usually go via the top level past the two statues and use the big arch next to the Betjeman Arms. Or there is a little staircase down to the tube just next to this arch.
One thing which I find a pain at Leeds is the access to Platform 17.
I use this platform when I travel on the NR 'Express' service to Sheffield.
From the far end of the footbridge the steps extend quite some distance in the opposite direction along 16 before you have to double back to reach 17.
Sometimes it's the difference between catching or missing your train, especially if you get caught up in the crowd waiting at the bottom of the steps on 16.
What's also annoying about platform 17 is that you can find trains for Nottingham and Knottingley on the same platform at the same time. OK they are spelled differently, but announcements can sometimes be less clear .
Weren't Tunes lozenges made for this very situation?
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Weren't Tunes lozenges made for this very situation?
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