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Line reopened weekdays between Dover and Folkestone following sea damage

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ileikcaek

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There have been some local news reports and some pictures shared of damage to the sea wall and line near Dover on Christmas Eve. The waves have caused the sea wall to crack and be undermined allowing the trackbed to sink behind it. They are saying there has been further damage since but there are no new pictures since Christmas Eve. The line is obviously closed today and until further notice.

It looks like this section of line could be out of action for sometime. what is the probability that the wall needs rebuilding too? The cracks make it look to be in rather poor shape...

Here are some pictures from an album shared by Southeastern Trains

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This has always been a problem section of line, one of the most expensive lines to maintain in the country so I have been told.
 
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Don't know what happened there. Try this :)
http://www.nationalrail.co.uk/service_disruptions/116877.aspx


On Christmas Eve, strong winds and high tides caused damage to the sea wall and track between Dover Priory and Folkestone Central. Work will need to be carried out to repair 250 metres of track and rebuild the sea wall before the line can reopen.
Buses will replace trains between Dover Priory and Folkestone Central while repairs take place.
Some High Speed service will be diverted to run between Ashford International and Ramsgate via Canterbury West.
The latest estimate for the line to reopen is the end of January.
 

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Perhaps if the London,Chatham and Dover Railway had been allowed to build it's proposed railway through the Alkham Valley, this may have formed a permanent diversion.
 

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http://www.networkrailmediacentre.co.uk/news/railway-between-dover-priory-and-folkestone-central-closed-after-damage-to-sea-wall

This might be helpful. Pictures on Network Rail of the sea wall.

Some services going inland via Canterbury West to reach Ramsgate. You could reroute via Minster & round the rarely used curve to reach Dover via Deal using a shuttle service or something.

This was done previously by the South Eastern Railway during landslips in the 19th century - until the Elham valley route was built providing a shorter diversion.
 

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At the moment it's just quicker to drive to Folkestone West and get a train from there. (+ free parking)
Something I will have to do Tuesday, and then the return Thursday unfortunately.

My only worry is that the powers-that-be decide that the repairs aren't worth it.
 

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At the moment it's just quicker to drive to Folkestone West and get a train from there. (+ free parking)
Something I will have to do Tuesday, and then the return Thursday unfortunately.

My only worry is that the powers-that-be decide that the repairs aren't worth it.

Well, the route might not have the international strategic importance that it had in the 50's when the last lot of heavy duty stabilisation work was done, but it's still a pretty vital route within Kent.

Anyone trying to justify abandoning the route will rightly be shot down in flames.
 

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I'm slightly worried that the country is looking at the Yorkshire / Lancashire problems (rightly so) and my local problems will be put on the back burner for quite a while.
 

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I'm slightly worried that the country is looking at the Yorkshire / Lancashire problems (rightly so) and my local problems will be put on the back burner for quite a while.

I can't imagine the Dover main line being left out in terms of repairs and getting back to normal.
 

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Hopefully, but places like this and the South West are often forgotten about. Many seem to think all the south gets great service and funding etc, but there's quite a few places that don't. Weak local govt and Whitehall calling the shots, who have to be dragged kicking and screaming into funding rapidly growing London, and who are now (rightfully) concerned with areas that have been lobbying and publicity for long neglected areas in the north which now thankfully have louder voices, can mean places like outer Kent are stuck in the middle.

If it was to close, how much local press would it get, let alone nationally? Not as much as many other areas. Not saying it would happen, but it could be slipped through there a lot more easily.
 

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Line currently estimated to reopen on 1st March, hopefully it's not delayed as 9 weeks of shuttle trains, buses and lack of communication will be a nightmare! :cry:

However there is a chance I might *fingers crossed* see a 465 in East Kent again! :lol:
 

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It's currently impossible (as far as I can see) to get meaningful info on NRE around which trains are running from Folkestone to Ashford/London. Southeastern have tweeted that trains are leaving West at xx16 but that info isn't reflected on journey planner - it's suggesting a train to Central then waiting there for an hour for a train back to Ashford.

Network Rail will do an outstanding job in difficult circumstances, I'm sure, as they did at Dawlish, but info provision by National Rail/Southeastern is lacking just when it's needed most. Maybe some tracking device has been knocked out?
 

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The BBC finally put an article up but incorrectly state that the problem sea wall is at Folkestone when it really is in Dover, the BBC are really terrible at Geography in this area, I remember when they once put Dover in the wrong place in another of their shows, I think it was an episode of Coast. :roll:
 

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The BBC finally put an article up but incorrectly state that the problem sea wall is at Folkestone when it really is in Dover, the BBC are really terrible at Geography in this area, I remember when they once put Dover in the wrong place in another of their shows, I think it was an episode of Coast. :roll:

Is that the section East of Shakespeare tunnel?
 

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Yes on the Dover side. Near the footbridge where many pictures of Shakespeare Tunnel have been taken over the years.

The were 50+ men at work on site today, so hopefully a good sign that the work will get relatively quickly.
 

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Yes on the Dover side. Near the footbridge where many pictures of Shakespeare Tunnel have been taken over the years.

The were 50+ men at work on site today, so hopefully a good sign that the work will get relatively quickly.

Ah thanks.

There was a lot of stabilisation work done in the 1950's, but this was on the other side of the tunnel.
 

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The were 50+ men at work on site today, so hopefully a good sign that the work will get relatively quickly.
The problem is that it looks like the material under the line is being scoured away. It will be difficult to replace it with something more substantial as there's no easy way to dig out the loose stuff without the whole wall coming down on you. I've no idea if injectable grout would work since it looks like the work area would be below the high water mark.
 

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Might end up being a complete dig out and rebuild job as they'll have to fully establish what has and hasn't been washed away underneath anyway? Not nice if you can only really work from the ends inwards.
 

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Update with extra pictures and video.

http://www.kentonline.co.uk/dover/news/network-rail-and-southeastern-bosses-48445/

Damage to rail track could take millions of pounds to repair, it's been revealed today.

Images just released reveal the true extent of damage to the sea wall near the railway line between Dover and Folkestone.

The pictures, taken by members of Samphire Hoe Country Park, reveal several major cracks in the wall.

One major fault runs vertically down the wall, while others appear to have opened up within the structure.

Meanwhile, potholes have appeared trackside after damage from a high tide.

But, after Network Rail and Southeastern bosses met this morning to discuss the major work required on the railway line, it's been revealed the damage is worsening.

Managing director of Southeastern, David Statham, said at the site: “At the moment, the first thing to say is that we don’t have an estimation of how long it is going to take to repair the sea wall here at Dover.

“They’re currently working through what they have got to do to stabilise the site, what they need to do to repair it, so we don’t know how long it is going to take to get the railway back to normal.

“What I can tell you at the moment is that we’re unable to run trains between Dover and Folkestone directly.

"At present we’re running a rail replacement bus service, a shuttle service and from Dover we’re able to run a conventional mainline service into London Victoria.

“We are making every effort to keep people moving while Network Rail complete the repairs.”

Southeastern is rearranging its timetables to accommodate commuters. The new timetable should come into play on Monday.

From then, Southeastern is also offering free parking at Folkestone West to encourage those travelling from Dover and Deal to drive there where they will then pick up the high speed train.


Route managing director of Network Rail Alasdair Coates said the original damage was spotted by track walkers.

He added: “Once every seven days we do a maintenance track walk. The track walkers noticed a crack just before Christmas and that identified the issue.

"Since that time, when we decided to close the railway on Christmas Eve, there has been further deterioration so it was absolutely the right decision to do so.

“I myself have been down here regularly since then and each time I come down I have seen further and further erosion which is why it is so important that we get the track and temporary repairs in order as quick as we can to prevent further erosion.


"We are now looking to put it right by putting in temporary solutions, revetments (sloping structures) and preventing further storm damage.

"While we’re doing that, making the site safe, we’ve also got a team of work engineers, working around the clock to come up with solutions to ensure we get this back to the people of Dover."

Network Rail has contracted Costain to carry out the work.

Staff are already placing limestone in front of the damaged wall to protect it temporarily.

Mr Coates added: “We do recognise the importance for travellers and commuters in Dover and the surrounding areas and we are doing everything that we can to get a permanent solution in place.

“We are making sure we assess it properly and fully and we have a full set of engineers out here doing just that.

“Our aim to make sure the wall is even stronger. This wall has been up a substantive number of years and it has suffered unprecedented storm damage and beach erosion over the past few weeks in particular.

"That, along with other parts of the country, we’ve seen the effects the weather has had. We need to put in place a permanent solution that ties back and provides a secure future for this railway."

Mr Coates said moving the railway line would be “a very long term solution”.

“I think at the moment what we need to do is get this fixed, get it operational again and future solutions will of course be thought of and planned for in future years perhaps as part of a different exercise.


“We don’t know how much it will cost, but it will clearly be in the millions to put it right.

"Again, once we have identified a permanent solution we will then we able to work out final costings and have a detailed plan of that.

“We do recognise the importance to everybody to get this open again and the dedication and commitment that not just Network Rail but all its partners and supporters in Southeastern working together to help solve this challenging situation.”

Yesterday, Southeastern's train services director, Richard Dean, said passengers would receive compensation over the delays they are due to face and revealed it might be "a question of redesigning the railway".

They will access it via the beach, which is now a worksite and has been cut off to the public.

A high tide caused the cracks in the wall, which has resulted in no west-bound Southeastern services between Dover Priory and Folkestone Central.

Cracks were first discovered on Christmas Eve but engineers found two or three sinkholes along the wall with further damage caused over the past few days.

He has also asked for assurances from the Department for Transport that repairs will be a “priority and as swift as possible” whilst also calling for a review into the collapse of the sea defences.

An announcement from Network Rail Enquiries said: “Work will need to be carried out to repair 250 metres of track and rebuild the sea wall before the line can re-open.”


See also picture of bus replacement alternative.
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