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Today after going to watch The Cathedrals Explorer storm Gresford bank i was a little surprised that some goons take their own lives into their hands and insist on trespassing lineside just to get that better pic or vid. Now all each to their own and that but at the end of the day its people like myself who have to go and recover severed limbs and sh*t. The message is simple guys if you aint PTS trained and have no valid reason to be lineside then stay behind a fence or on a bridge!:-x
 
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Today after going to watch The Cathedrals Explorer storm Gresford bank i was a little surprised that some goons take their own lives into their hands and insist on trespassing lineside just to get that better pic or vid. Now all each to their own and that but at the end of the day its people like myself who have to go and recover severed limbs and sh*t. The message is simple guys if you aint PTS trained and have no valid reason to be lineside then stay behind a fence or on a bridge!:-x

I was travelling back from Wareham the other day and I noticed we were travelling at a low speed, and then the guard announced "We are sorry for the delay this is due to tresspassers throwing stones at trains" if they would of got hit we would of heard on the news "He was such a good little boy, he wouldn't do anyone any harm"... :-x
 

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There's loads of threads on here about that sort of thing, some which include a Youtube video or two of idiots nearly getting owned by a train too.

There's always a minority that spoil it for the majority. Some maybe think that if they wear a high-viz, it gives them the authority to trespass... idiots :(
 

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There's loads of threads on here about that sort of thing, some which include a Youtube video or two of idiots nearly getting owned by a train too.

There's always a minority that spoil it for the majority. Some maybe think that if they wear a high-viz, it gives them the authority to trespass... idiots :(

Absolutely, I couldn't agree with you more Geezer

A lot of people will go out and they will have fun but there is fun and there is spoiling it for other people because they are being ****s about it.

Now I will hold my hands up, I might like my trainspotting but I have done wrong but what I have done is learn from that and make sure that not only I stay safe but everyone else around me is safe.

The minority will always ruin it for the majority but the idea is a simple on: stay safe
 

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Is it just me or are Steam Enthusiasts worse for this than Diesel? I'm not sure if it's an age thing (there is a certain arrogance in the older populations when it comes to rules, at least when it comes to rules that effect them), or if it's that steam locos are more photogenic so tend to get lots of photographers around, wheras diesels don't. The sheer number of photographers all along the route tends to lead to people fighting to get the best spot, in some cases even having to fight even to get a photograph. Of cource it doesn't help either that those who stand where they shouldn't will often block the shots of those who are standing in sensible positions, so encourages them to also stand where they shouldn't just to be able to get a shot (not that that makes it right). I'm not saying diesel enthusiasts are perfect, far from it, but it does seem steam enthusiasts are worse.

I also wonder if the fact that diesel specials are typically run for enthusiasts, wheras steam specials are run for both enthusiasts and normals, means that diesel enthusiasts feel more vulnerable to having services cancelled due to bad behaviour, wheras steam enthusiasts know that very little is going to stop companies running steam locos on the railways. Again from experiance in the past at a preserved railway the steam galas tended to have more trouble with people lineside than the diesel galas (tresspass and damage on neighbours property is as much a problem for preserved railways as tresspass on their own land). Whenever there was the slightest trouble at Diesel events then it was the last time one was happening and the various diesel groups had to fight hard to get them back again (for many it was any excuse). When trouble happened on steam events it was usually swept under the carpet and there was no question of cancelling future events.
 

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Speaking from a heritage railway point of view, the vast majority of enthusiasts are well behaved. However, there will always be a few that let the side down, and these tend to be the older generation "I've got a right to be here (not off the end of the platform you haven't sir!)" enthusiast. Whether steam or diesel I think makes little difference, although I have noticed an increase in incidents during diesel events.
 

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Speaking from a heritage railway point of view, the vast majority of enthusiasts are well behaved. However, there will always be a few that let the side down, and these tend to be the older generation "I've got a right to be here (not off the end of the platform you haven't sir!)" enthusiast. Whether steam or diesel I think makes little difference, although I have noticed an increase in incidents during diesel events.

I suppose an increase in incidents at diesel events could be down to the increasing age of diesel enthusiasts (afterall there are many in the older generation who just caught the tail end of steam or missed out), the increasing relative popularity of diesels (they are now very much mainstream) leading to higher numbers which always means issues are more likely (the more people the more badly behaved people there are, plus more people leads to more competition for the best spots), and also a sence of empowerment now the diesel enthusiast community is a bigger force and less easily pushed around (preserved railways make quite a bit of money from diesel galas, so are less likely to cancel them at any excuse, plus there diesel groups tend to be larger and more powerful).
 

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During a recent visit by a steam special to Bristol, I was appalled to see a group of idiots wander off the end of platform 5 at Temple Meads, and down onto a track-level footpath leading to an adjacent loco spur. The steamer was over on platform 3, three lines away, and stabled on the spur right alongside these morons was a Class 47, noisily chugging away. Worse still, platform 5 was empty at the time, with the potential for an arrival at any moment. Needless to say their attention was focussed firmly on the steamer, and with its noise plus that of the chugging 47, which was also obscuring any view of approaching trains, had any arrival turned up it could easily have come as a nasty shock, both for the spotters and the Driver no doubt.

If these muppets are prepared to merrily trespass at somewhere like Bristol Temple Meads, it's no wonder that all manner of lunacy is displayed out on the main lines, away from any official eyes. It has been said many times before, but it only takes one person to get wiped out by a passing train - as the guy in that now famous YouTube video at the level crossing almost was - and the whole situation of mainline heritage will be examined very closely indeed. Let's hope, for everybody's sake, that doesn't happen, but there are certainly some individuals out there who would benefit from a bloody good collar-feeling by the BTP; enthusiasts or not.
 

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Is it just me or are Steam Enthusiasts worse for this than Diesel?

No it's not just you. Steam enthusiasts are far and away the worst culprits. I think there are two entirely different reasons for this. Firstly you have the old spotters from the 1950s. Back in the day it was a different world and trespass was the normal thing to do. Secondly steam trains attract a lot of "normals" who are not really enthusiasts and are unaware or the rules and etiquette and so tend to stray into places where they shouldn't be.

I can tell you, driving a train at 100mph along a line where a steam special is running a few minutes behind you can be a hairy experience.
 

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Looking at some of the photographs taken in the period 1920 to 1939, there must have been very serious safety infringements in those days, with a somewhat cavalier attitude taken by those photographers.
As someone who was around in the 50's, the attitude was still very relaxed and I was on quite a few rail tours where when the train stopped in a station everyone swarmed all over the tracks, a bellow from the signal box that there was a train comiong and everyone cleared the line to return after it passed. No one got killed and common sense prevailed.
 

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As someone who was around in the 50's, the attitude was still very relaxed and I was on quite a few rail tours where when the train stopped in a station everyone swarmed all over the tracks, a bellow from the signal box that there was a train comiong and everyone cleared the line to return after it passed. No one got killed and common sense prevailed.

That isn't a situation we want replicated on today's railway, 'common sense' or not! :o
 

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a bellow from the signal box that there was a train comiong and everyone cleared the line to return after it passed. No one got killed and common sense prevailed.

A bit difficult to bellow from a PSB or an IECC 15 miles away...
 

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I am not aiming this at all enthusiasts, but there a minority of them who think because there an enthusiast they know better than everyone else and because there an enthusiast this gives them the right to do things (from personal experience I have seen on occasions). So its not just the old steam loco enthusiasts! :)
 

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Yeah, I gotta agree with Leigh on this one, there is no common sense when it comes to safety on the lines. It is something you just have to do.

Either you want to be safe and respect your surroundings or you have a blatant disregard for them and don't give one.

But the fact will always remain, there is always going to be one that ruins it for other people
 

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As an idiot who used to put 2p on the line I am glad to say I have grown up, there are some unfortunately who don't
 

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As someone who was around in the 50's, the attitude was still very relaxed and I was on quite a few rail tours where when the train stopped in a station everyone swarmed all over the tracks, a bellow from the signal box that there was a train comiong and everyone cleared the line to return after it passed. No one got killed and common sense prevailed.
I agree - similar vintage and all. But it all changed with diesels, which were generally quicker and QUIETER. This is why the yellowing of front ends started. You could see and hear a steamer coming anything up to 10 minutes before it arrived. What is obvious from the YouTube clip is that the prat involved had no idea anything was coming. Yes, perhaps we have lost something from the atmosphere of being an enthusiast (I would add the excitement of doing a shed full of live steamers), but that doesn't excuse not being safe in today's environment.
(Incidentally, would a driver seeing someone in that position be advised to sound a warning, and possibly make the idiot "jump", or stay silent in the hope that he stays perfectly still?)
 

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(Incidentally, would a driver seeing someone in that position be advised to sound a warning, and possibly make the idiot "jump", or stay silent in the hope that he stays perfectly still?)

$64,000 question that is and half a sec to decide
 
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I bet that one Turbostar driver at Thurston (youtube vid) had his blood turn cold when that kettle-chasing twit came into view.

If the "vidiot" turned around at just the wrong moment, he could have had his head removed by the footplates of the coaches. The driver would probably need valium for the rest of his life and the widow would get a shiny Darwin Award for the mantelpiece.

Hopefully a horn in his earhole has deterred him (and hopefully others) from standing that close to a railway line! And I also love that "wa-hoo" by the camera-man instead of "move there's a train."
 

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Actually that's a classic example of the problem as it's the noise of the steam loco going through that drowns out the noise of the Turbostar.
Remember too it's not just the public who these rules apply to. Staff too have far stricter rules about going on or around the track than they used to. The issue with the SWT station master is a classic example, and plenty of other staff have been disiplined or sacked for doing things that nobody would have thought twice about back in steam days. It's the same in many other industries too, and not just industries that would be considered particularly dangerous.
 

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(Incidentally, would a driver seeing someone in that position be advised to sound a warning, and possibly make the idiot "jump", or stay silent in the hope that he stays perfectly still?)

It's just instinct really. You see someone and you just blow up without even thinking. Although sometimes you blow again just as you pass (just to make sure they heard :))
I remember a few years ago now I was pulling into Temple Meads platform 5 and there was a kettle on 3. There were photographers everywhere. The Kettle was pulling out as I approached. I had photographers shouting at me to move out of the way. I pulled to a halt and changed ends and amazingly I was approached by 3 or 4 idiots who ranted at me for spoiling their pictures.
Needless to say all my customer care training (ahem) went out of the window and I hit them with both barrels. One of them however just kept on and on and on. Swift call to BTP followed !!
 
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I had photographers shouting at me to move out of the way. I pulled to a halt and changed ends and amazingly I was approached by 3 or 4 idiots who ranted at me for spoiling their pictures.
Needless to say all my customer care training (ahem) went out of the window and I hit them with both barrels. One of them however just kept on and on and on. Swift call to BTP followed !!

That's just shocking behaviour from shutter-pressers. Who the heck do they think they are yelling at a train driver, I mean to say where did they expect you to put a train? The car park? <(

I mean to say, I am an amateur photographer and I certainly am not a fascist and demand that the entire world stops just for me to take a photo! Mind you, I tend to do sunsets so the only thing that tends to get in my way is a pigeon or two but I don't throw my toys out the pram!
 

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I usually call the BTP when I see these t*ts about on the line - not off platforms, but trespassing away from stations.

Also, the BTP asks me 'Are you rail staff?' What exactly do they mean? Are they asking whether your occupation is on the railway? Whether you are on duty? Just because I've called them once when I was Stewarding and presumed the answer was yes - presumably when I'm not Stewarding then I should answer no?

Daft, petty question, I know.
 

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I usually call the BTP when I see these t*ts about on the line - not off platforms, but trespassing away from stations.

Also, the BTP asks me 'Are you rail staff?' What exactly do they mean? Are they asking whether your occupation is on the railway? Whether you are on duty? Just because I've called them once when I was Stewarding and presumed the answer was yes - presumably when I'm not Stewarding then I should answer no?

Daft, petty question, I know.

I guess in case they might ask you to approach them and ask them to move?
 

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I guess in case they might ask you to approach them and ask them to move?

that explains a lot, thanks. The times I've done it have been when 1) I was passing on the tour they were photting and 2) I was in a car on a road alongside the Kyle line - so I could hardly approch them. No PTS anyway
 
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Looking at some of the photographs taken in the period 1920 to 1939, there must have been very serious safety infringements in those days, with a somewhat cavalier attitude taken by those photographers.

Funny thing is....no-one got run over. Why's that then?
 
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