Hard agree! The LNER livery looks very classy in my opinion - much better than the play-school style we've seen in previous companies around the network such as the former Stagecoach based franchises.
But you'll note that all the trains DB operate share the same livery.
Agreed. Ideally passengers will not be aware of any notion of a TOC, in a similar way to how buses in London operate, where the "bus bandit" behind an individual service is well hidden.
That's not really the case. In Baden-Wuerttemberg, DB Regio trains carry a yellow and white "BWegt" livery. In Saarland and Rheinland-Pfalz there is a livery of white and green with a red front. I'm sure there are other examples across Germany.
But people also want a national system they can be proud of. I thought that was one of the points of GBR , to encourage a genuine sense of it being British and owned by the people, not by First group, Trainitalia etc etc.
I presume by "will" you mean "this is what I would like to see".
I'll be pleased if there are standard external markings for 1st class.
It looks really dated now.
Do you have a link to that page? Nothing comes up about it when I search on the website for livery/liveries, trains/services or branding. Given that Labour has moved away from concessions contracts to direct management and there have been efforts regarding multiple policies to move away from Tory era branding I would not bet that still being the case.
gbrtt.co.uk
It did even then!
Presumably, as I couldn't see anything on the website myself.
'Jaffa Cake' livery predated the NSE rebrand, appearing (during 1985, I think) when the sector was still London & South East (LSE). Though there was definite overlap with the NSE scheme for a few years afterwards, of course.
Indeed, I tend to think that the orange and brown evoked the spirit of the previous decade - the seventies.
You're going to be so shocked when you see the nations major bus companies...
If you look a few posts above you will see that thinking seems to have moved on from what you are saying.
I think they'll put in new liveries soon or at least announce them to tell the public that something has changed, as most changes might not be obvious to the average person
Take a look at the local authority boundaries I've sketched onto the Northern map. Many service groups significantly overlap between different combined authorities/counties, and the same units can work over multiple authorities in one day. Aside from a few niche cases, you'd find it nearly impossible to keep liveried units within the appropriate combined authority if they were all run by Northern, and the operational carnage involved in separate TOCs for different combined authorities would be significant. I'd be interested to know how you'd plan to resolve this.
If you mean the GBRTT web site, there's nothing there on structure and branding (because it has not been decided yet).
I support the Union Jack ones if ScotRail can do it any shouldn't we
If only limited powers related to local trains are devolved to the combined authorities it would be no different to how Northern currently operates the West Yorkshire Metro services. how Scotrail used to operate the Strathclyde Partnership for Transport Strathclyde rail services, or how British Rail used to operate the PTE rail services, or if all city regions are given a similar level of control over local train services as London it could operate the same as the Overground.
You are aware we are talking in Speculative Discussion right, pointless imagining is kind of the point of this part of the forum. That being said it being clear how Labour's devolution plans could change the planned structure and operations of the GBR is the reason why I did not talk about local trains yesterday, there are too many possibilities to be able to make a succinct point while also talking about local trains.
I was referring to this post quoted below which seems quite advanced, does it not?:
i.e., a proportion of the fleet in the PTE liveries, and then the rest in a generic Northern livery? In which case what does having the PTE liveries achieve given the branding will be very inconsistent and will often appear out-of-area?
So who would take control of the Harrogate line - NY or WY? The Penistone line - WY or SY? etc.
