LNER Azuma (Class 800/801)

[Railperf]

Is there a standard unreserved coach on these?

There may be a coach that is less likely to be reserved - but as LNER have an online reservation in which you can visualise the seating layout for each coach and individually select your seat, then it is likely there will be some reserved seats in all coaches. But maybe if you simply accept an automatically selected seat, these may end up concentrated in certain coaches. I think on Class 91's it tends to be coach B that was unreserved, but someone may correct me if I am wrong.

 

[TT-ONR-NRN]

I am speaking for myself, I didn't ask for anyone to comment.

Well it was posted on a forum of which I am a member therefore i am entitled to comment

 

[ainsworth74]

high seat backs restricted views down the coach

The seat backs are lower than those fitted to LNERs Mk3s and Mk4s!

Will the Azumas last for over 40 years? - any opinions?

They'll last for at least 27.5 years seeing as that's what the contract said!

 

[Bletchleyite]

The seat backs are lower than those fitted to LNERs Mk3s and Mk4s!

Well, quite, far lower than particularly the venerable Grammer IC3000, and lower too than ironing boards. Probably also lower than Chapmans. So not that high at all!

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Well, quite, far lower than particularly the venerable Grammer IC3000, and lower too than ironing boards. Probably also lower than Chapmans. So not that high at all!

The IET seat backs are the ideal height, in my opinion - but should we really start yet another seat debate???

 

[Bletchleyite]

The IET seat backs are the ideal height, in my opinion - but should we really start yet another seat debate???

I think someone already did

 

[Mitchell Hurd]

There may be a coach that is less likely to be reserved - but as LNER have an online reservation in which you can visualise the seating layout for each coach and individually select your seat, then it is likely there will be some reserved seats in all coaches. But maybe if you simply accept an automatically selected seat, these may end up concentrated in certain coaches. I think on Class 91's it tends to be coach B that was unreserved, but someone may correct me if I am wrong.

That's no problem - coach H I believe is unreserved on the 225's. Coach B is reserved on CrossCountry trains though (note the XC HST's its the Standard Class section of Coach B that is unreserved).

 

[K.o.R]

The orange line around the roof.....it’s an electrification warning right?
Why does it go over the headlight rather than under it, are there any rules on its height?

Thanks, now I can't unsee that

The line is yellow around the headlight rather than orange.

They needed 5cm² more of yellow for the front to be compliant

 

[ainsworth74]

The IET seat backs are the ideal height, in my opinion - but should we really start yet another seat debate???

I think someone already did

Yep and this time it's my fault and after all my messages asking that we avoid it as well

Let's learn from my bad example and end it here for the next iteration of the great seat debate shall we?

 

[swt_passenger]

Yep and this time it's my fault and after all my messages asking that we avoid it as well

Let's learn from my bad example and end it here for the next iteration of the great seat debate shall we?

Diagram info is reappearing here too, if you happen to be on a roll...

 

[ainsworth74]

Diagram info is reappearing here too, if you happen to be on a roll...

Well as I'm in the neighbourhood

But yes reminder that diagrams and/or gen and requests for such should be in the linked thread here.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Well as I'm in the neighbourhood

But yes reminder that diagrams and/or gen and requests for such should be in the linked thread here.

Oops, sorry, that would have been me in a rush this morning I think...

 

[westv]

Yep and this time it's my fault and after all my messages asking that we avoid it as well

Let's learn from my bad example and end it here for the next iteration of the great seat debate shall we?

Presumably that doesn't refer to any seat discussion specific to Azumas?

 

[ainsworth74]

We've had requests that discussion of seats relating Azumas and IETs not be allowed on the threads discussing those trains. The points have been made at great length and in great detail. Litterally page after page after page. As such we wish to avoid people discussing them on threads like this.

Discussion is not however outlawed from the Forum but would need to be in a new thread. Perhaps titled "Thoughts on Azuma seating".

I hope that makes sense.

 

[SHFTraveller]

Thought I'd join after my first Experience with the Azuma today.

Only did from Stevenage to Doncaster today (luckily).
Positives - On-Time journey, quiet coach was quite, seat reservations easy to read
Negitives - Laptop doesn't balance well on the table extension, can see the toilet floor getting wet as the tap nozzle is quite high above the actual sink and after an hour, my back hurts

 

[leedstraindude]

Thanks, now I can't unsee that



They needed 5cm² more of yellow for the front to be compliant

It’s so staff can identify which end is first class, much like voyagers have they coloured couplers.

 

[westv]

Table extension?

 

[transmanche]

Table extension?

The fold-down seat-back tables are not really big enough to fit a laptop on, so there's a little pull out 'extension' bit.

You can see the bit you pull out in this picture, although I've not seen a photo with it extended.

Photo shows an LNER Azuma seat-back fold-down table.

 

[westv]

Ok. I didn't even realise you could pull it out. Will give that a go tomorrow.

 

[D6700]

the tap nozzle is quite high above the actual sink and after an hour, my back hurts

You're not supposed to sit on the tap - no wonder you're in pain

 

[Bletchleyite]

It's amazing how much better that interior looks simply by changing the colour of it. GWR really should take note and get some of the classy dark green into it like the commuter EMUs have.

(It probably does help that red, white and grey is a colour scheme that really works for me - indeed it's the colour scheme of my lounge! I've got laminate flooring but I'd happily even have the carpet...not swapping my sofa for those seats though )

 

[SHFTraveller]

You're not supposed to sit on the tap - no wonder you're in pain

Good Luck attempting to sit on that.

 

[D6700]

Good Luck attempting to sit on that.

I'll give it a miss - I've already had one accident with a sink this week, which resulted in me walking around an airport wearing a soaked T-shirt!

Welcome to the forum, by the way

 

[AndyB56]

Planning a trip to the States in January for 2 Weeks (via Gatwick so travelling south)can't help think the luggage space is inferior to that of the 225's, especially for larger luggage. Point shown here a weekend suitcase and a small backpack on the luggage rack.

 

[Bletchleyite]

Planning a trip to the States in January for 2 Weeks (via Gatwick so travelling south)can't help think the luggage space is inferior to that of the 225's, especially for larger luggage. Point shown here a weekend suitcase and a small backpack on the luggage rack.

Both of those items will easily fit the massive overheads (biggest of any UK train), leaving that rack free for larger items.

 

[AndyB56]

Both of those items will easily fit the massive overheads (biggest of any UK train), leaving that rack free for larger items.

Not my luggage but still I'm not convinced by the amount of space. Travel loads on rush hour 225s out of Leeds, to the point I've seen it overflowing into the vestibules.

 

[swt_passenger]

Both of those items will easily fit the massive overheads (biggest of any UK train), leaving that rack free for larger items.

...as is clearly signed. I’d think having the case there is probably ok, but a rucksack?

 

[Bletchleyite]

Not my luggage but still I'm not convinced by the amount of space. Travel loads on rush hour 225s out of Leeds, to the point I've seen it overflowing into the vestibules.

With Class 350s this is primarily because people are too bone idle to put their bag in the spacious overheads, or to ask someone else to assist with doing so if it's a bit awkward to do themselves.

With Voyagers there's an actual issue as the overheads are tiny. No such issue with 80x.

That said, I probably would fit more/larger racks in place of the narrow, non-window-view seats at the end.

 

[Midnight Sun]

With Class 350s this is primarily because people are too bone idle to put their bag in the spacious overheads, or to ask someone else to assist with doing so if it's a bit awkward to do themselves.

Joe Public simple don't like having heavy items above their heads. Ever had a case or bag dropped on you when someone was taking down their stuff.

 

[yorksrob]

Fortunately the IC stock on the ECML has always been blessed with generous overhead luggage rack provision, but it's good to see that Hitachi haven't gone down the route of stupidly restrictive ones, which seemed to be rife in early noughties built trains.