LNER to hire DB Cargo Class 90 - now 2x 90s

[IanXC]

Wonder if anyone knows anything about this?!

This tweet seems to suggest a 90 will be hired in for Newarks.... https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/760119190208520192

A @DBCargoUK Class 90 goes on hire to @Virgin_TrainsEC from September. Cover for 91s and restricted to KX-Newark trains.

 

[Dhassell]

Wonder if anyone knows anything about this?!

This tweet seems to suggest a 90 will be hired in for Newarks.... https://twitter.com/Clinnick1/status/760119190208520192

No VTEC Trains Terminate at Newark thou dothey? Also im gonna guess 90034

 

[MrB]

Why is it restricted to just these trains?

 

[Tim R-T-C]

It has been rumoured for a while, standing in for frequent 91 failures.

How many Newark trains are there?

Why is it restricted to just these trains?

Time loss - the 90s only do 110mph - although they have previously been used on the Leeds services, but lose about 10 minutes or so.

 

[swt_passenger]

No VTEC Trains Terminate at Newark thou dothey? Also im gonna guess 90034

1008, 1208, 1408, 1609 northbound departures to Newark

0700, 1324, 1524, 1721, 1925 arrivals from Newark at Kings Cross.

AIUI the paths were originally going to be used by Lincoln trains? In the opposite hours they tend to be services to/from York or further

 

[IanXC]

No VTEC Trains Terminate at Newark thou dothey? Also im gonna guess 90034

How many Newark trains are there?

Newark terminators look like this on a weekday:

(0535 NNG 1A00 KGX 0658)
1008 KGX 1B82 NNG 1133 (1)
1154 NNG 1B83 KGX 1322 (1)
1208 KGX 1B84 NNG 1334 (2)
1354 NNG 1B85 KGX 1522 (1)
1408 KGX 1B86 NNG 1532 (2)
1552 NNG 1B87 KGX 1719(2)
1609 KGX 1B88 NNG 1734 (1)
1754 NNG 1B89 KGX 1923 (1)

Which ignoring the early morning run into London, appears to give a plausible daily diagram (1) for a 90 hauled set...

 

[ainsworth74]

AIUI the paths were originally going to be used by Lincoln trains? In the opposite hours they tend to be services to/from York or further

Yes they were originally to go onto Lincoln using the 180s that NXEC and later EC had secured for themselves (yet spent most of their time with Northern) but eventually EC decided to cut back the operation to Newark with only one return journey per day to Lincoln.

 

[gsnedders]

I presume 90+Mk4 set, if it's standing in for the 91? How often historically have the Mk4s been hauled by anything other than a 91, and by what?

 

[ainsworth74]

Not very often at all as far as I'm aware. Certainly not in service anyway (they may have been hauled by odds and sods during delivery or being taken to/from refurbishment).

 

[Ash Bridge]

I presume 90+Mk4 set, if it's standing in for the 91? How often historically have the Mk4s been hauled by anything other than a 91, and by what?

The class 89 has been used with mk4 sets in past times, they have also been dragged in service with 91 attached, by class 47's and even 31's back in BR days.

 

[sprinterguy]

I presume 90+Mk4 set, if it's standing in for the 91? How often historically have the Mk4s been hauled by anything other than a 91, and by what?

By class 90s frequently during both Intercity and GNER days, and by the class 89 following resurrection by GNER around the turn of the millennium (it never had much of an opportunity to work with mark 4 rakes prior to its' original withdrawal from service in September 1990).

As mentioned above, complete rakes with class 91 attached have also been dragged by class 47s, 67s and, historically, class 31s.

 

[ainsworth74]

By class 90s frequently during both Intercity and GNER days, and by the class 89 following resurrection by GNER around the turn of the millennium (it never had much of an opportunity to work with mark 4 rakes prior to its' original withdrawal from service in September 1990).

Oh yes that's a good point. A 90 actually made it into GNER livery thinking about it:

 

[theblackwatch]

90s were frequent on the ECML in the 90s....90024 even carried GNER colours. The hire rumour has been going round for several weeks and was confirmed by VTEC earlier today as going ahead.

 

[sprinterguy]

Oh yes that's a good point. A 90 actually made it into GNER livery thinking about it:

Yes, although ironically as soon as it did so it seemed to spend more time being hired to Virgin on the West Coast than in use with GNER!

 

[ainsworth74]

Yes, although ironically as soon as it did so it seemed to spend more time being hired to Virgin on the West Coast than in use with GNER!

And indeed the shot I linked to is at Liverpool Street rather than Kings Cross so still not on the right route for the livery

 

[fgwrich]

And indeed the shot I linked to is at Liverpool Street rather than Kings Cross so still not on the right route for the livery

That seemed to be a standard trick for that particular loco, after spending more time on the West Coast working for VTWC in GNER colours, it was then of course repainted in First Scotrail colours for the Caley sleeper, and spent half its time on the GEML again.

Hence the reason why Virgin didn't end up having a Skoda painted to match the Pretendolino - because DB couldn't guarantee that it would stay with the set on the West Coast and wouldn't end up working in Anglia for GA/NX.

 

[Tim R-T-C]

The only shot I have of 024 in GNER colours is at Crewe dragging the Porterbrook liveried class 87, an odd combo indeed.

 

[grumblingalong]

Also im gonna guess 90034

They're welcome to it, the bell-buzzerless guards worst nightmare of a loco.

 

[IanXC]

They're welcome to it, the bell-buzzerless guards worst nightmare of a loco.

I guess King's Cross, Stevenage and Peterborough have (CD/)RA equipment in place? But Grantham and Newark probably not? Does anyone recall the way of working last time 90s were in use on the ICEC operation?

 

[dk1]

They're welcome to it, the bell-buzzerless guards worst nightmare of a loco.

Up & down like a whores draws. Does my nut in (if I can remember)

 

[jon0844]

Oh yes that's a good point. A 90 actually made it into GNER livery thinking about it:

That orange post at the buffer looks like part of the train livery!

 

[grumblingalong]

Up & down like a whores draws. Does my nut in (if I can remember)

Not to mention the coupling delivering a nice healthy kick when down road, "only to be used to Retford" sounds very similar to the "only to be used on ECS to Ilford" that we were fed!

 

[Skimble19]

I guess King's Cross, Stevenage and Peterborough have (CD/)RA equipment in place? But Grantham and Newark probably not? Does anyone recall the way of working last time 90s were in use on the ICEC operation?

Platform staff dispatch using bats to the guard at Stevenage, think Kings Cross and Peterborough are the same although can't remember off the top of my head.

 

[AnonymousUser1]

No VTEC Trains Terminate at Newark thou dothey? Also im gonna guess 90034

i think you'll find there are some that do unless they have been extended further north ...

as others have said these are the 'Lincoln' paths that don't have the stock( 180s / additional HSTs / bimode 80x) to support running to Lincoln at present

 

[HA25322]

I took this photo back in the day when it was in GNER livery at Leeds I believe.

 

[XCTurbostar]

Nice to see VTEC using some initiative and covering for unavailable 91s, my bet is 90034 as well, I also don't think it will be repainted although it would be an interesting livery to say the least!

Thanks,
Ross

 

[jopsuk]

That orange post at the buffer looks like part of the train livery!

Orange? I'm pretty sure that's finest NetworkSouthEast red! As applied to everything in the south east that didn't move

 

[Bungle965]

Tony Miles has said on WNXX that the 90 will essentially be a stand by unit, in case for whatever reason a 91 cannot be used. He went on to say that in emergency they can be used on services terminating at Leeds and York.
Sam

 

[DarloRich]

Tony Miles has said on WNXX that the 90 will essentially be a stand by unit, in case for whatever reason a 91 cannot be used. He went on to say that in emergency they can be used on services terminating at Leeds and York.
Sam

Don't Lincolns inter work with Yorks?

 

[CosherB]

I'm sure VTEC would prefer a red DBC Skoda .....