London INTL (CIV) Tickets

[bb21]

A colleague of mine recently bought Eurostar tickets to Germany but did not have his travel to St Pancras sorted at the same time. He was asking about the cheapest way to do that and I'm mightily confused having not dealt with it myself before so I have some important questions.

(1) Leicester - London Intl CIV is a valid flow with EOS (Euro Std Sgl), EVR (Euro High Saver Rtn) and EVS (Euro High Saver Sgl) fares listed. The two saver ones are listed as valid for arrivals into STP after 1010. Is it correct for me to assume that all three are flexible tickets and therefore do not require the holder to have compulsory reservation on a particular train?

(2) Is EOS the only fare valid for arrivals into STP in the morning peak?

(3) Is Y-P discount available with these fares?

(4) My information are all from NFM07. Can someone provide me with a complete list of Std Class fares from NFM08 please?

(5) Any idea for cheaper fares during the peak? e.g. an EOS from York is apparently much cheaper than the Leicester one and is valid on map SY into London Terminals.

(6) Are BOJ allowed on these tickets, as no restriction is listed?

Thanks all

 

[OwlMan]

The destination should be Lndon Estar CIV
see attached for fare details

 

[First class]

Official information:

London International tickets
Tickets to London International (London Intl CIV) must be offered to customers holding a ticket from London to a Continental destination via Rail/Sea or from London St. Pancras International for Eurostar

The Continental travel ticket must be presented at the time of purchase. Note: some TOCs allow presentation of proof of purchase in lieu of the actual Eurostar ticket, e.g. booking confirmation on Eurostar / Travel Agent headed notepaper or by email, showing reference numbers travelling, date and time of Eurostar - see local instructions.

The outward portion must not be dated more than one day in advance of the passenger's ticket between London and the Continent. The inwards portion must not be dated more than one day after the passenger's ticket between the Continent and London. All tickets are issued in accordance with the uniform rules concerning the Contract for International Carriage of Passengers and Luggage by Rail (CIV).

For further details, click here to be directed to the entry in the Ticket Finder section.

Validity of tickets to/from London International
Where the symbol ✠ is marked against the fares in your TIS or the Fares Finder, those tickets include travel by London Underground between the London terminal appropriate to the origin station and London St Pancras International. In principle, this covers all journeys except those originating on East Coast, East Midlands Trains and First Capital Connect where use of London Underground is not normally required. Break of journey on London Underground is not allowed.

The ticket to London International should never be dated more than one day in advance of the Eurostar ticket, which the passenger must also possess.

Break of journey is not permitted except for:


•Where a change of trains is necessary en route to/from London
•In London, a break of up to 24 hours is permitted in either direction.


Where a passenger holds an invalid ticket (e.g. Advance for the wrong train etc), they must be treated in accordance with domestic excess fare instructions. Unless operating difficulties have caused the problem e.g. late Eurostar train.

In principle, most tickets to London International are valid for two months and are unrestricted by day or time of day. Low Saver tickets are not valid for travel on Fridays and other 'Peak' days indicated in the Fares Finder. Apex Single/Return are only valid for the date and trains indicated on the ticket.

 

[bb21]

The destination should be Lndon Estar CIV
see attached for fare details

Great. Could someone post the restriction text for EU as well please.

Also. I'm now looking at the option of splitting at Bedford.

Can someone post the complete pricing info from Bedford Station (0410) to Lndon Estar CIV (9934) too please, together with the full text for the restriction code which I believe is EH?

 

[wintonian]

The current restriction codes can be found here

EURO 1ST SINGLE @ £15.00
EURO STD SINGLE @ £10
EURO HIGH SVR S @ £6 restriction; EH

 

[bb21]

Wonderful.

Anyone know if railcard discount available?

 

[wintonian]

EURO 1ST SINGLE @ £9.90*
EURO STD SINGLE @ £6.60
EURO HIGH SVR S @ £3.95 restriction; EH

*Only for HMF, DIS & SNR

No NEW or NGC discounts.

 

[wibble]

The destination should be Lndon Estar CIV
see attached for fare details

This is incorrect. Fares to Lndon Estar CIV [LOE / 9934] are only available to people booking through journeys to the continent via Eurostar.

Anyone already holding Eurostar tickets will need tickets to London Intl(CIV) [LNE / 5470].
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EURO 1ST SINGLE @ £9.90*
EURO STD SINGLE @ £6.60
EURO HIGH SVR S @ £3.95 restriction; EH

*Only for HMF, DIS & SNR

No NEW or NGC discounts.

Correct fares are:

EURO 1ST SINGLE @ £36.80 or £24.30* with a railcard
EURO STD SINGLE @ £23.00 or £15.20 with a railcard
EURO HIGH SVR S @ Not available
EURO HIGH SVR R @ £29.50 or £19.45 with a railcard; restriction 5J

*Only for HMF, DIS & SNR

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Wonderful.

Anyone know if railcard discount available?

Yes it is; I've always had railcard discounbts on CIVs to connect with my Eurostar trips.

 

[button_boxer]

This is incorrect. Fares to Lndon Estar CIV [LOE / 9934] are only available to people booking through journeys to the continent via Eurostar.

Anyone already holding Eurostar tickets will need tickets to London Intl(CIV) [LNE / 5470]

I'm going to Germany next week. I bought a DB London Spezial from St Pancras to Frankfurt. I then tried to buy CIV connecting tickets to London and back from my local station ticket office but they claimed they couldn't issue them. So I phoned Eurostar domestic telesales and bought my UK tickets from them instead (i.e. just the UK tickets, not a through fare including the tunnel leg). These tickets say Lndon Estar CIV.

 

[OwlMan]

This is incorrect. Fares to Lndon Estar CIV [LOE / 9934] are only available to people booking through journeys to the continent via Eurostar.

Anyone already holding Eurostar tickets will need tickets to London Intl(CIV) [LNE / 5470].
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Correct fares are:

EURO 1ST SINGLE @ £36.80 or £24.30* with a railcard
EURO STD SINGLE @ £23.00 or £15.20 with a railcard
EURO HIGH SVR S @ Not available
EURO HIGH SVR R @ £29.50 or £19.45 with a railcard; restriction 5J

*Only for HMF, DIS & SNR

Well the ones that I bought from Coventry on Tuesday show Lndon Estar CIV as the destination.

Peter

 

[wibble]

Well the ones that I bought from Coventry on Tuesday show Lndon Estar CIV as the destination.

Peter

The station shouldn't be selling you tickets with a destination of Lndn Estar CIV. Incidently, the price from Coventry to Lndon Estar CIV and London Intl(CIV) are the same price.
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I'm going to Germany next week. I bought a DB London Spezial from St Pancras to Frankfurt. I then tried to buy CIV connecting tickets to London and back from my local station ticket office but they claimed they couldn't issue them. So I phoned Eurostar domestic telesales and bought my UK tickets from them instead (i.e. just the UK tickets, not a through fare including the tunnel leg). These tickets say Lndon Estar CIV.

Most TOCs will not sell you a London Intl(CIV) unless you can physically show your Eurostar tickets. Some TOCs will sell them if you can show a Eurostar booking reference (e.g. where it's been booked through a travel agent) or if you've selected the e-ticket option when you book online.

Some TOCs price tickets to London Intl(CIV), Lndon Estar CIV and London Terminals at different rates:

Anytime Single: Bournemouth - Waterloo £46.00
Euro Std Single: Bournemouth - London Intl(CIV) £44.60
Euro Std Single: Single: Bournemouth - Lndon Estar CIV £17.00

 

[wintonian]

Correct fares are:

EURO 1ST SINGLE @ £36.80 or £24.30* with a railcard
EURO STD SINGLE @ £23.00 or £15.20 with a railcard
EURO HIGH SVR S @ Not available
EURO HIGH SVR R @ £29.50 or £19.45 with a railcard; restriction 5J

*Only for HMF, DIS & SNR

The infornation was correct for the question that was asked, namely the cost to 9934, it may not have been what they were after (I don't know much about Eurostar fares) but was none the less correct.

Using phone so appoligies for short snappy post.

 

[button_boxer]

Most TOCs will not sell you a London Intl(CIV) unless you can physically show your Eurostar tickets.

I did. They claimed I could only buy "international" tickets from Eurostar and with a queue of people behind me and another train to catch I didn't feel inclined to spend time arguing. And given how smoothly the process went when I bought the tickets by phone from Eurostar I think I'll be doing it that way from now on anyway. 01233 617913 for reference.

 

[bb21]

Thanks for all the info. We ended up getting AP for both legs as they are cheap and from what I can gauge off various forums on the internet, it should be fine should delays occur.

 

[Peter Mugridge]

Thanks for all the info. We ended up getting AP for both legs as they are cheap and from what I can gauge off various forums on the internet, it should be fine should delays occur.

How much margin is your connection each way? The whole point of the CIV tickets is that they guarantee that if the connection is missed you will not get stranded in either direction regardeless of how late the inbound connecting train was.

 

[bb21]

Outbound in the morning is a shade under two hours as it was the first train.

Inbound I think it's something like 3 hours and a bit but he can go home if he really messes up and they wouldn't let him travel as he's from Croydon.

 

[First class]

Sorry to drag this thread up, but is there a requirement to actually have the Eurostar/International tickets on you whilst travelling, or just at the point of sale?

Am I also correct that the Euro Std Single is unrestricted in terms of time, but does not permit Break of Journey?

 

[island]

There are no restrictions on Euro Std Singles, break of journey or otherwise.

 

[Mike395]

Sorry to drag this thread up, but is there a requirement to actually have the Eurostar/International tickets on you whilst travelling, or just at the point of sale?

Ticket inspectors can (and do) ask for the international tickets when travelling on CIV tickets for the UK leg of the journey

 

[button_boxer]

Ticket inspectors can (and do) ask for the international tickets when travelling on CIV tickets for the UK leg of the journey

The interesting one here is if you're intending to collect your Eurostar tickets on arrival at St Pancras. Presumably the inspector can't insist on a printed booking confirmation (given that if you have the facility to print a booking confirmation then you would just have gone for print-at-home E* tickets in the first place...)?

 

[sheff1]

Ticket inspectors can (and do) ask for the international tickets when travelling on CIV tickets for the UK leg of the journey

I don't see how this can be correct.

If I book a ticket from Sheffield to Paris via the Eurostar site I am given two reference numbers. One to collect the Sheffield to London CIV ticket from the TVMs at Sheffield and one to collect the London to Paris ticket from the Eurostar TVMs St Pancras. I cannot pick up the international ticket from the TVM in Sheffield, so therefore cannot show it on the train to London (and, indeed, have never been asked to do so).

 

[lemonic]

Maybe there is a difference in rules regarding proof of international travel between 'London International CIV' tickets and 'London Eurostar CIV' tickets...

 

[barrykas]

Tickets to London International require you to show the continental ticket (or, if the TOC allows, booking confirmation) at the time of purchase and when you're travelling.

Tickets to London Eurostar have no such requirement, given they're only supposed to be sold by Eurostar themselves, though I'd be inclined to take a copy of the booking confirmation anyway, just in case.

Cheers,

Barry