TPE Penalty fates from Monday.
Will there be enough revenue patrols to enforce them?
TPE Penalty fates from Monday.
I'm not sure what you're asking.Will there be enough revenue patrols to enforce them?
I've always been under the impression that evasion is low in Germany, despite the absence of barriers. So I was quite surprised by the results of a revenue check I saw about 18 months ago, travelling from central Munich to the airport on S-bahn. Two pretty tough looking guys in almost paramilitary black uniforms came through checking, and only two of the five passengers in my bay of 8 seats had correct tickets.I had the pleasure of living and working in Munich Germany in the early 2000's where I used a combination of their S-Bahn and U-Bahn to get to work and back. There they don't have a barrier or check tickets when getting on or off, but rely on an honesty policy. But once in a while plain-clothed ticket inspectors descend on to train on mass and check every single person. If you don't have the correct ticket they will arrest detain you and take you to court. There are no if or but they come down really hard on offenders.
My experience of this when the 6 or 7 times it happened to me over the 4 years living there, most people had tickets because they knew about the policy and were basically honest. I did see someone being arrested for fare evasion on one occasion... they didn't look happy!
Maybe all stations should have ticket machines and even on board trains.I find it a nuisance to have to queue up and pay when no one bothered to come round to check tickets even though the train has just picked up from a station with no facility to buy a ticket.This has always been the case not just now.
Is this ever allowed once you've boarded the train and it's departed?You have the ability to do exactly that with mobile ticketing.
I'm not sure what you're asking.
How will they enforce the penalty fares?
They'll need revenue prlotection at every station to catch everyone.
This does not make sense. This is literally a part of their role, in most cases.You have the ability to do exactly that with mobile ticketing.
The main job of a conductor isn’t to sell tickets that passengers should/could have bought by other means
This does not make sense. This is literally a part of their role, in most cases.
I'm glad you agree that you were, in almost all cases, wrong to describe it as you did. There are few non-commercial guards.It’s the smallest part of the role.
The priority is the safe and timely running and dispatching of the train.
The NRCoT already says you should have your ticket before travelling. As it stands provided the ticket is valid when inspected there's no mechanism to issue penalty fares to anyone doing this. If a valid ticket is offered up when asked, no offence has been committed under the Railway Bylaws. There would be no debt outstanding if the ticket they'd bought 60 seconds before inspection was genuinely valid. This leaves the company with only one option, to try to prove beyond doubt that the person who did this intended to avoid paying the fare (or the even higher bar of them intending to commit fraud). Without an admission, or some strong evidence going beyond just the time contained within the ticket, this would be effectively impossible (of course if you're the train company your resources are probably much greater than an individual's, so you can always try bullying them into settling using the threat of charges which are just nonsense).Doesn't seem quite right to be able to hastily buy an e-ticket if you see ticket inspectors working through the train you're on.
Out of interest, how far are Northern going in bringing back their stored pacers to address this ? Are there still 144's at Kieghley that could be used.
I've definitely noticed these 'chancers' on my route. Do we have a date for Scotland or England when Conductors will be allowed to check or sell tickets on board?
Yes, there's about 12 still stabled there.
Well, they can't complain about a lack of rolling stock while they're there.
Agreed.
Surely they are better strengthening services than sat rusting away?
I saw a two-car 158 heading for Sheffield in Leeds earlier and it had to leave people behind because it was deemed full.
Out of curiosity. If Conductors are not allowed to check and sell tickets during COVID19 then what makes revenue inspectors different?Yes, there's about 12 still stabled there.
Northern had their revenue team on my train tonight checking and issuing tickets.
Refreshing to see them catch five people in my carriage alone.
Out of curiosity. If Conductors are not allowed to check and sell tickets during COVID19 then what makes revenue inspectors different?
I suppose it's relevant who exactly it was, too. Was it the so-called Loss Prevention Officers, contractors usually working at stations, or one of the ticket examiners? Only guards and ticket examiners worked on trains before, and that had carried through from many previous franchises.
Out of curiosity. If Conductors are not allowed to check and sell tickets during COVID19 then what makes revenue inspectors different?
The worry is that they're not being used because it costs money.
What time was this Sheffield service ? I've not seen a crowded train since a carriage load of youths turned up at Wigan heading for the beach !
It would have been the 16:48 departure.
It was odd that a two-car 158 goes to Sheffield, but a three-car 158 went to Knottingley.
Ticket check by conductor on board 14:21 Newcastle - Edinburgh service today before I got off at Morpeth. New rules for TPE guards?